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wood fires at Arapiles
Fiona
21/05/2014
6:01:56 PM
Yes, I can understand annoyance at a soggy campfire. However rather more people would be "annoyed" if a spark escaped. This was in the lower gums, not in the pines, there were few other campers around, the fire had re-lit, it was not contained within a proper fireplace and there was no-one to check that it didn't spread. The gums is tinder dry, and it would only take a spark. Their campfire couldn't have been too wet, as they managed to re-light it in the morning. Call me a wowser for spoiling their fire - that's OK, I was. And I would do it again at a moment's notice.

Miguel75
21/05/2014
6:33:40 PM
On 21/05/2014 Fiona wrote:
>... SNIP... Call me a wowser for spoiling their fire
>- that's OK, I was. And I would do it again at a moment's notice.

Good work Fiona, next time I'd recommend using a fire blanket. If you don't have one, use their tent;)

IdratherbeclimbingM9
21/05/2014
7:28:26 PM
On 21/05/2014 Miguel75 wrote:
>Good work Fiona, next time I'd recommend using a fire blanket. If you
>don't have one, use their tent;)

or some might suggest their portaledge if they have one...
Heh, heh, heh.
Wendy
21/05/2014
7:33:02 PM
To add to the list of annoyances-fires aren't allowed outside of proper fire places, not in the gums campground, and is the fires season there now starting in june anyway?

Pat
21/05/2014
7:35:47 PM
On 21/05/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>On 21/05/2014 Miguel75 wrote:
>>Good work Fiona, next time I'd recommend using a fire blanket. If you
>>don't have one, use their tent;)
>
>or some might suggest their portaledge if they have one...

You mean bouldering mat don't you Rod.

>Heh, heh, heh.

IdratherbeclimbingM9
21/05/2014
7:45:25 PM
On 21/05/2014 Pat wrote:
>On 21/05/2014 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>>On 21/05/2014 Miguel75 wrote:
>>>Good work Fiona, next time I'd recommend using a fire blanket. If you
>>>don't have one, use their tent;)
>>
>>or some might suggest their portaledge if they have one...
>
>You mean bouldering mat don't you Rod.
>
>>Heh, heh, heh.

I can see how that would be more popular.
Mind you, boulderers would never know real fear compared to clean-aid climbers, even if their mats were burnt! ...
;-)
kieranl
22/05/2014
9:06:26 AM
Apropos of nothing at all ...

http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Buttermilk-Bigwall-Bouldering-Expedition/t11915n.html

Climboholic
22/05/2014
9:34:14 AM
On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>fireplace or not.

Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.

My point was that just because you can have a campfire doesn't mean you should regardless of the conditions.

>it doesn't take much of a gust of wind to blow raise some sparks and blow them a few metres into grass.

I call BS. It would take a lot of wind to blow embers out of the fire onto the ground. The sparks that float up go up into the trees or burn out before coming down. So being there with a bucket and a couple of drink bottles isn't going to help when a fire starts 3m up. The best way to avoid a bushfire is to not have a campfire in those conditions to start with. Planning to put it out when your done doesn't absolve you.

Wendy's point on no fireplaces or fires allowed in the gums is more valid IMO.

Climboholic
22/05/2014
9:50:33 AM
Actually, now that I think about it, what annoyed me about Fiona's post was just the holier-than-thou attitude.
johnpitcairn
22/05/2014
10:07:03 AM
The sign in the upper gums says the no-fire restriction ended 30 April. While we were there 2 weeks ago we took a brief look at the lower gums where the big groups were, and that did indeed look like a bomb waiting to go off, with lots of tents scattered among the low dry trees and leaf litter. Not that it stopped them from lighting fires down there. Even a bunch of web-footed kiwis like us could see the potential for disaster.
kieranl
22/05/2014
10:11:39 AM
On 22/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>>fireplace or not.
>
>Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like
>I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.
>
Can't show you the specific regulation but this from the DEPI website for times that are not under explicit fire restrictions :

"In a state forest, national park or on protected public land the person in charge of a campfire or barbeque must not be outside the line of sight of it, or be more than 50 metres away from it"

Yes, people shouldn't light fires when it's windy but people have monstrously poor judgement, as you show by maintaining that it's safe to leave a fire unattended when you think it's safe. That mindset bothers me. I'd prefer that people don't light campfires at all but if you're going to do it you could at least do it properly and not pick and choose which bits of the rules to follow.

harold
22/05/2014
12:10:17 PM
To follow on from Climboholic...I do doubt that it is physically possible to start a bushfire this time of year especially at night time. Perhaps someone who has worked on hazard reduction burns with DSE or something similar would know, there comes a time of year when burnoffs are a bit impossible. I could be wrong, I just really doubt that its possible and not something to freak out about.
Disclaimer - Not that it's ok to break the rules whenever you feel like it...! and good enough reason to pour a bucket of water on it anyway.

Snacks
22/05/2014
12:40:23 PM
On 22/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>>fireplace or not.
>
>Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like
>I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.

National Parks and Wildlife Regulation 2002 Section 14

Lighting a fire in a national park other than in a fireplace, when a total fire ban is in place; leaving a fire unattended,;
failing to report or extinguish a fire; handle any flammable substance in a way likely to cause a fire

30 penalty units

http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/property%20crime/arson/arson%20legislation/summary.html
martym
22/05/2014
12:47:09 PM
On 22/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>>fireplace or not.
>Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like
>I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.

You can probably be sure that one of those fires could have easily turned into a bushfire - I'd advise against doing it in the future.

On 22/05/2014 harold wrote:
>To follow on from Climboholic...I do doubt that it is physically possible
>to start a bushfire this time of year especially at night time.
Wow really?
A fire can spark up at any time of day/night/year with the right conditions.
AND tents are the perfect kindling - so you get a nice couple of embers floating around on a breezy night, you'll see a fire.

Man, in South West Victoria - talking about fires not starting? Seriously??

Snacks
22/05/2014
12:47:33 PM
Before anybody asks...

One penalty unit corresponds to a particular rate dependent on what jurisdiction the law being applied falls unders...

So a penalty unit by federal law is around $170...

Whereas most states are around the $100 mark or more.

Sonic
22/05/2014
12:49:56 PM
On 22/05/2014 Snacks wrote:
>On 22/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>>On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>>>fireplace or not.
>>
>>Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like
>>I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.
>
>National Parks and Wildlife Regulation 2002 Section 14
>
>Lighting a fire in a national park other than in a fireplace, when a total
>fire ban is in place; leaving a fire unattended,;
>failing to report or extinguish a fire; handle any flammable substance
>in a way likely to cause a fire
>
>30 penalty units
>
>http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/property%20crime/arson/arson%20legislation/summary.html
>>

That only applies to NSW parks and dont mean diddly squat in Victoria. PV will have something similar though, I'm sure.

Snacks
22/05/2014
12:54:01 PM
On 22/05/2014 Sonic wrote:
>On 22/05/2014 Snacks wrote:
>>On 22/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>>>On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>>>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>>>>fireplace or not.
>>>
>>>Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like
>>>I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.
>>
>>National Parks and Wildlife Regulation 2002 Section 14
>>
>>Lighting a fire in a national park other than in a fireplace, when a
>total
>>fire ban is in place; leaving a fire unattended,;
>>failing to report or extinguish a fire; handle any flammable substance
>>in a way likely to cause a fire
>>
>>30 penalty units
>>
>>http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/property%20crime/arson/arson%20legislation/summary.htm
>
>>>
>
>That only applies to NSW parks and dont mean diddly squat in Victoria.
>PV will have something similar though, I'm sure.

Try following the link...
Wendy
22/05/2014
1:00:27 PM
As a slightly relevant aside - farmers have been very enthusiastically burning off this year.I have been totally horrified at the conditions they have burnt in - fire season may have officially ended, but it was still hot, windy and before the rains we got in late april and to top it off, i saw plenty still smouldering and unattended as well.

Climboholic
22/05/2014
1:02:29 PM
On 22/05/2014 Snacks wrote:
>On 22/05/2014 Climboholic wrote:
>>On 21/05/2014 kieranl wrote:
>>>It's illegal to leave a camp-fire unattended, whether it's in a proper
>>>fireplace or not.
>>
>>Show me a link to this law and I'll stop leaving fires unattended like
>>I have without incident on a weekly basis for the last 30 years.
>
>National Parks and Wildlife Regulation 2002 Section 14
>
>Lighting a fire in a national park other than in a fireplace, when a total
>fire ban is in place; leaving a fire unattended,;
>failing to report or extinguish a fire; handle any flammable substance
>in a way likely to cause a fire
>
>30 penalty units
>
>http://www.aic.gov.au/crime_types/property%20crime/arson/arson%20legislation/summary.html
>>

That's NSW not VIC, but thanks for the link. As I vaguely recalled, there is no Victorian law against leaving a fire unattended unless it's during a fire danger period.

Country Fire Authority Act 1958 39 Prohibited actions near fires
During a fire danger period: leaving a burning fire without leaving another in charge or extinguishing it; being in the open air and throwing down or dropping a lighted cigarette, match or other burning material; undertaking certain other fire hazardous acts; failing to report a burning fire

Forests Act 1958 63 Restrictions as to lighting etc. fires in certain areas
Lighting - intentionally or negligently and where authority should have been obtained - or maintaining a fire in the open air in a state forest or national park; failing to prevent the spread of a fire; leaving a fire without taking reasonable precautions to prevent it spreading or causing injury.

You could argue that having the fire in a fireplace and clearing leaf litter around it are reasonable precautions. Again, it depends on the conditions.

I don't doubt that it's very dry down there and having fires probably isn't a good idea. I'm sure Fiona thought she was doing the right thing and from the description of the conditions she's probably right.

harold
22/05/2014
1:20:06 PM
On 22/05/2014 martym wrote:

>Man, in South West Victoria - talking about fires not starting? Seriously??

Yeah, seriously. On the night in question Horsham weather station reports overnight temperature 7.7 degrees. Could a fire really spread in sub 10 degrees temps? Even with dry wood I find fires need a fair bit of encouragement on a cold night like that.

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