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I've never heard of these does anyone know what they are? (hope it not a really stupid question)<br> <br> Thanks Dave. </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#EEE0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td> <img border="0" src="addax.gif" width="32" height="32" vspace="2"><br> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=IdratherbeclimbingM9" title="View User's Profile">IdratherbeclimbingM9</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 6/08/2004<br>9:40:09 AM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="786"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> I have not heard of the term 'magic plate'; though as a guess on my part, I know that in aid climbing sometimes groups of items are linked together to give one choices in a placement. eg some small cams and nuts; a group of different hooks; or a mixture of both etc. (The BD 'Talon' hook evolved from/follows this principle ie 3 hooks as one item).<br> <br> Passthepitonspete developed his 'better way' which is simply same on dedicated short slings ... ?<br> <br> or, ... It may be some type of belay device??<br> <br> Am happy to be corrected in this if anyone knows better :)<br> __________________________<br> Post edit;<br> Just did a google search, try this ...<br> <br> Belaying devices for climbing<br> ... Although expensive and heavy, they are excellent for long belaying sessions (working<br> routes, big walls, etc). Magic plates (aka reverso). ... How to Rock Climb! ... <br> www.timeoutdoors.com/climb/kit/4CLMAKP01090303E.htm - 34k - Cached - Similar pages <br> <br> [PDF] French Style<br> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML<br> ... Climb harder Sorry but itís true ... Us- ing a self-locking magic plate means you<br> can take your hands off the rope to achieve this whilst still safely belaying ... <br> www.thebmc.co.uk/safety/advice/ articles/issue30_french_style.pdf - Similar pages <br> <br> UKC Forums - climbing in a 3<br> ... has taken in all the spare rope etc etc both the seconds on separate ropes climb<br> together several metres apart while being belayed on magic plate or reverso ... <br> www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=85567 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages <br> <br> Magic plates (aka reverso) <br> Petzl reverso <br> Designed to act as an auto-locking device when bringing up either one or two seconds. Generally only used by instructors and guides, they are very useful as a second belay device for long trad climbs. <br> <br> Seems the answer to your Q is simply a 'reverso'<br> (I wouldn't have called them THAT magic IMO)<br> <br> <br> <br> </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFF0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td> <img border="0" src="FLY.gif" width="32" height="32" vspace="2"><br> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=nmonteith" title="View User's Profile">nmonteith</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 6/08/2004<br>9:47:39 AM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="787"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> Google search 'magic plate climbing'<br> <br> New Alp - Magic Plate<br> The Magic Plate (aka Plaquette) is very popular with instructors who wish to belay two clients climbing at once and know that at any time a client falls the rope will jam whether the instructor is holding it or not. It is not very good for belaying a leader with however. Colours vary. 65 grams†<br> <br> <IMG SRC="/upload/userfiles/nmonteith/newalpmagicplate.jpg"><br> </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#EEE0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td> <img border="0" src="addax.gif" width="32" height="32" vspace="2"><br> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=IdratherbeclimbingM9" title="View User's Profile">IdratherbeclimbingM9</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 6/08/2004<br>9:59:35 AM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="788"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> On 6/08/2004 nmonteith wrote:<br> <font color=822222>>Google search 'magic plate climbing'<br></font> <br> My google was 'magic plate, climb', and I was editing my post when nmonteith posted.<br> <br> Seems there is more than one 'magic plate' out there, but essentially they are the same application.<br> They make climbs faster because you can have two seconds in a three person team climbing simultaneously. (You would want good belay anchors for this IMO).<br> <br> Hey Neil; How do you copy and paste the picture?<br> (When I tried all I got was words).<br> _____________________________<br> More experimentation part answered my Q!<br> 'save picture as' ... -> jpg<br> ... but still don't know the trick to dropping pic into here ... </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFF0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td> <img border="0" src="LizardBoy.GIF" width="32" height="32" vspace="2"><br> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=Mike" title="View User's Profile">Mike</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 6/08/2004<br>12:19:27 PM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="789"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> On 6/08/2004 A5iswhereitsat wrote:<br> <font color=822222>>... but still don't know the trick to dropping pic into here ...<br></font> <br> Have you noticed the help topics sitting right there next to the "Ok" button when you post a reply? </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#EEE0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td> <img border="0" src="addax.gif" width="32" height="32" vspace="2"><br> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=IdratherbeclimbingM9" title="View User's Profile">IdratherbeclimbingM9</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 6/08/2004<br>12:42:08 PM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="790"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> On 6/08/2004 Mike wrote:<br> <font color=822222>>Have you noticed the help topics sitting right there next to the "Ok"<br></font> <font color=822222>>button when you post a reply?<br></font> Can't see the forest for the trees, (or should that be Araps pines?).<br> Knew I had read this stuff somewhere, so went off searching in all the wrong places.<br> Thanks Mike. </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFF0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=dave" title="View User's Profile">dave</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 8/08/2004<br>12:13:57 PM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="792"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> thanks guys.<br> <br> The article refered to using it for belaying your second, the advantage being that you can <br> quote:<br> "stack the rope, sort out the rack, have a drink or a bite to eat while safely belaying"<br> <br> I thought by the sound of that that it must be a pretty special device </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#EEE0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td> <img border="0" src="addax.gif" width="32" height="32" vspace="2"><br> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=IdratherbeclimbingM9" title="View User's Profile">IdratherbeclimbingM9</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 9/08/2004<br>10:09:34 AM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="793"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> On 8/08/2004 dave wrote:<br> <font color=822222>>The article quote:<br></font> <font color=822222>>"stack the rope, sort out the rack, have a drink or a bite to eat while<br></font> <font color=822222>>safely belaying"<br></font> <font color=822222>><br></font> <font color=822222>>I thought by the sound of that that it must be a pretty special device<br></font> <br> I would not want to be belayed by anything other than an attentive belayer, no matter what device they were using.<br> <br> I have not used one but gather they are not without their drawbacks also, specifically lowering someone (if needed) once the device has locked off? </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#FFF0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=dave" title="View User's Profile">dave</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 9/08/2004<br>8:30:09 PM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="794"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> I agree absolutely.<br> <br> I also think it was suggesting to use this only on routes were your 'not going to fall'<br> <br> The article this was mentioned in was all about multi pitching fast and there were many dodgy sounding technigues such as making a belay from a WC ropeman whilst simulclimbing - don't know if anyones ever tried this but youd certainely want to know exactly what you were doing. </font> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#EEE0E1"> <td valign="top" nowrap> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tr> </tr> <tr> <td> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> <a href="Forum.asp?ForumID=6&Action=Profile&UserName=ant" title="View User's Profile">ant</a> </font> </td> <td align="right" valign="top"> </td> </tr> </table> </font> <font FACE="Arial" Size="1"> 19/08/2004<br>11:23:04 AM<br> </font> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td nowrap> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="807"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Reply" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 8pt"> </form> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td valign="top"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> The magic plate is one of many designs available. Cassin have one, and so do Kong, called the Gi-Gi, which is probably the best of the bunch in that its design allows real easy lowering of a second should that be required.<br> <br> They 'rock' on longer multipitch routes. I use them for bringing up a second, and use my ATC for belaying leaders. They are also able to be used as an abseil device when you know how.<br> <br> The Petzl reverso and reversino combine both the magic plate and ATC into one, but I've never used them. </font> </td> </tr> </table> <br> <table width="100%"> <tr> <td> <form name="form" action="Forum.asp" method="post"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="View Thread" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Print" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> <input type="submit" name="Action" value="Return" STYLE="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> <input type="hidden" name="ForumID" value="6"> <input type="hidden" name="MessageID" value="785"> <input type="hidden" name="PagePos" value=""> <input type="hidden" name="Sort" value=""> </form> </td> <td align="right"> <font FACE="Arial" Size="2"> There are 10 messages in this topic. </font> </td> </tr> </table> <p> </p> <p align="center"> <font FACE="Arial" size="1"> <a 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