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23-Jul-2020 3:55:19 PM
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I know everybody is just totally consumed with the implications of Deutsche bank disposing of judge Esther Salas' family over the weekend, and wondering why every Bain client seems to be restructuring society to suit their needs since February.. This no doubt is hard to stop thinking about , and there is rarely a social situation where the whole group isnt giving their two cents worth, however I would like to remind people, "wot wiv Covid an everyfink" , of a much larger issue. Liquid chalk. I call it 'chalkgate'. I had the pleasure of testing my mettle at an gym recently and had to use liquid chalk. I spent the whole night breathing onto my hands to dry it , and that didnt seem logical, given I only put it on my fingers. Is there some actual classical science behind the banning of chalk? I know it would be alot nicer as an employee to not have to clean the stuff up each night or morning , but for me it was annoying enough to avoid going indoors again. I cant imagine isopropyl being especially good for the skin either. Is there some studies that I can read, about this decision to not use chalk?
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24-Jul-2020 7:31:24 AM
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I think the idea is that as liquid chalk is suspended in alcohol, it must have some slightly sanoitising effects. I usually just wave my hands around a little rather than blowing on them.
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24-Jul-2020 9:37:15 AM
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I wondered that too but apparently the rationale for liquid chalk is more to do with the virus attaching to airborn chalk particles than any disinfectant property of the alcohol in the chalk. Either way doesn’t seem to be conclusive, more a precautionary measure.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.gymclimber.com/can-liquid-chalk-protect-climbers-from-coronavirus-as-gyms-begin-to-reopen/amp/
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24-Jul-2020 10:10:30 AM
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Wow, classic comment E Wells. Myself, I was more consumed with wondering about the timing of France changing a certain drug from over the counter to prescription only on 13th Jan this year (https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jo_pdf.do?id=JORFTEXT000041400024), before a certain bug became famous, and before Professor Raoult proved it had some efficacy (https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/) against a certain problem... strange timing indeed... cough, G*ilead , cough... but it's been a strange year indeed!
Oh we were talking about liquid chalk.. well I guess the alcohol in it should kill the virus so it's like you are hand sanitizing and chalking at the same time. In fact, could you just mix your chalk into a bottle of hand sanitizer for your own bug killing home made liquid chalk? Somebody please try it and let us know. Why are you blowing on your hands?, you don't need to do that.
I can understand the normal chalk aversion. Chalk absorbs your hand sweat, then you wipe it on the holds as you climb, prob not good. But then if you use no chalk, then you just sweat directly onto the holds, so that's even worse. Please somebody make a hand sanitizer chalk mix and give us a report. I'm sure that's the future. Or maybe someone invent some climbing gloves. There's a whole undeveloped market!
But what do I care, I have my own wall which only has my germs on it. I don't even wear shoes to train. He He He.
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24-Jul-2020 10:38:41 AM
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You will find it works better if you don't drink it Evan!
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24-Jul-2020 12:10:36 PM
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All the big kids are putting zinc in theirs.
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24-Jul-2020 8:14:28 PM
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On 24-Jul-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>All the big kids are putting zinc in theirs.
Hopefully common sense rather then the usual bro-science will prevail.
But its 2020 so anything goes, right ?
https://www.abcwalls.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Corona-Virus-and-Chalk-Press-release-v2.pdf
Edited to update URL.
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26-Jul-2020 7:58:58 PM
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On 24-Jul-2020 davedave wrote:
>Hopefully common sense rather then the usual bro-science will prevail.
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>But its 2020 so anything goes, right ?
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>https://www.abcwalls.co.uk/news/chalk-deactivates-the-virus-on-holds/
Oh no, Error 404. Who is paying you for your misinformation?
....I did find this though:
Still from ABCWalls
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26-Jul-2020 9:15:44 PM
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Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. So, whats the deal. Why am I not using chalk to safeguard myself from possible virus?
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27-Jul-2020 8:00:22 AM
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On 26-Jul-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. So, whats the deal. Why am I
>not using chalk to safeguard myself from possible virus?
I suspect it's what ajfclark was talking about, the whole alcohol kills the bug thing being front of mind for gym owners. Interesting research though. Perhaps we could inject climbers' chalk along with a bright light to cure COVID?
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27-Jul-2020 9:03:14 AM
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On 26-Jul-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. So, whats the deal. Why am I
>not using chalk to safeguard myself from possible virus?
Because the science isn't yet settled. You are using common sense to make the assumption that chalk kills the virus and therefore makes climbing a perfectly acceptable activity. The history of science is littered with examples of "common sense" being wrong.
Science isn't quick. It takes a while to confirm a hypothesis as true - but then that 'truth' is always up for revision upon new data.
So at this stage, the extent of human knowledge is that it looks promising that chalk kills the virus. Do you want to be the gym owner who opens up on that basis only to learn later that it's not actually true? And you may have just inadvertently allowed people to get sick in your gym?
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27-Jul-2020 6:48:40 PM
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There is science....and then there is science. I like science that isnt awash with Gates or Rockerfeller cash. Its kinda weird how thats where it settles though. Regardless of Kary Mullis or any other 'nobody' ...science marches on. I listened to Norman Swan tonight , a radio personality for the BBC, when asked 'did we learn nothing from Europe four months ago' responded not with even the slightest mention that now it is now our winter, and this is a corona virus (albeit with advanced function). Yes , the cold fronts are rolling in. Instead he emphasised it is all because our system is completely broken and as a nation we are at fault. Listening to that 'science' is like listening to Orson Wells. All I hear is weaponised corporate science. Cheese for the crackers. As per usual.
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30-Jul-2020 6:13:28 AM
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On 27-Jul-2020 E. Wells wrote:
>There is science....and then there is science. I like science that isnt
>awash with Gates or Rockerfeller cash. Its kinda weird how thats where
>it settles though. Regardless of Kary Mullis or any other 'nobody' ...science
>marches on. I listened to Norman Swan tonight , a radio personality for
>the BBC, when asked 'did we learn nothing from Europe four months ago'
>responded not with even the slightest mention that now it is now our winter,
>and this is a corona virus (albeit with advanced function). Yes , the cold
>fronts are rolling in. Instead he emphasised it is all because our system
>is completely broken and as a nation we are at fault. Listening to that
>'science' is like listening to Orson Wells. All I hear is weaponised corporate
>science. Cheese for the crackers. As per usual.
Are you sure that's not what the lizards want you to think?
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