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Tents and camping gear 8-Sep-2005 At 3:08:42 PM kerroxapithecus

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On 8/09/2005 ti wrote:
>Hey Kerroxapithecus (what a cool name!),

thanks but i'm really kerrin

>I'm not sure that you can draw a correlation between the way I write and
>my opinion of correct
>grammer, punctuation, and spelling, or for that matter the time and effort
>it took to construct the email

I find this very difficult to believe. Wouldn't this be like saying there is no correlation between your desire to live in a clean home and your act of taking out the garbage? and not only the act of taking out the garbage, but whether you take the time to tie the bag properly and make sure it doesn't have holes in it before you begin?

I would have thought that underlying most things we do there's some element of intention or desire there that actually causes us to do the thing. This would surely be the case unless one's conduct is still governed by the fear of a rap over the knuckles for not doing it or one has an intellectual disability which means skills are often rote learned so that they become automatic and there is no real understanding of why something needs to be done.

>- I touch type, which lets me write as fast as I think, but this is not
>necessarily a good thing!

I touch type too, fast. But that doesn't stop me from having to think and take time to plan my sentences and put in commas and question marks when I believe my message will be better understood if I do. Seeing I don't think with commas, exclamation marks and full stops I have to put some thought into where to put them when I'm writing down my thoughts.

>I value expression and communication over correct grammer, punctuation
>and spelling. More
>importantly, I value equality.

I think this is your main point.

>Thank you for your comments about my writing, however I think that eloquence
>is a far cry from how I
>write.

it's a matter of opinion I guess but you do have a way with words.

>function - communication - is valid, but, were you looked down upon by
>other members of the other
>forum?

I don't think so because it wasn't me who wrote like that it was someone else. I suppose it was difficult for you to fully understand my message because of the missing letters.

>you have at your disposal the ability to use correct grammer
>et al.

all people within one standard deviation below the average IQ score of 100 ie. 85, would have the ability to use correct grammar. Whether they do or not would appear to me to be their choice.

>This leads me to my
>original point which I'll reiterate, as debates can become convoluted
>and points can become obtuse,
>shouldn't everyone feel that they can openly ask questions on this forum
>regardless of background,
>climbing experience or education? Shouldn't the members on this forum
>try not to judge and belittle
>based on mere grammer? Neil is a respected climber and his opinion matters.

Would someone really feel judged, offended and belittled at his comment? especially when it is more than likely that the person omitted grammatical symbols out of reckless disregard rather than because they come from a disadvantaged background or have some disability that caused them to write like that.

>And whilst I'm ranting,
>Why is correct grammer more important than expression?

it is not more important than expression it is the facilitator of expression in the written language.

>Why do people judge
>others on how well
>they spell?

I don't think they do, do they? I didn't read any judgement of the person or their personality in the request by nmonteith. He didn't request accurate spelling.

>oh, and another good point you raised was the use of shortened words becoming
>acceptable and
>making writing more efficient. This has been happening since - well actually,
>I don't know when it came
>about so, I'll use a grand sweeping term such as - 'forever'.

not forever, around 500,000 years ago at the time of Homo Erectus I'd say but not around the time of Australopithecines, the first human-ape like hominins. But there would have initially been an expansion of language and phonetic sounds within words until the point where we then decided to start shortening for ease and laziness.

>Tents and gear: determine your needs, budget (or parent's budget) and
>what you can afford at that
>price range.
>

I want to spend as little as possible but not get wet if it rains. I saw a tent today at KMart and it stated on the label that it was waterproof. Should I believe it?