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Petzl ASAP = Awesome!

belayslave
1/02/2010
10:03:52 PM
Just added one of these to my rig for top rope soloing and other shenanigans. (Big props also to HSM
in Tassie for good service, ordered Friday, arrived Monday.)

Took it for a run after work and managed 10 laps of the crag in the same time it took to do 6 with my
previous setup. Feel much safer using it in combination with my mini traxion (each running on
seperate lines). No loops of slack being dragged up behind me as per my previous setup of clipping in
hard as a backup on the second line. Don't have to disconnect it to descend either - brilliant!

For the interested:
http://www.petzl.com/us/pro/mobile-fall-arrester-0

Pat
1/02/2010
10:54:07 PM
Would this work upside down for solo aiding? Any info on impact forces it can cope with? Also, what did
it cost you?

wallwombat
1/02/2010
11:09:38 PM
belayslave, do you work in the high access industry?

It seems like a bit of overkill just to use for top roping. Then again, so does using two ropes. Very safe though, I suppose.

It actually looks like a sexed up Gibbs ascender.
Paul
1/02/2010
11:23:55 PM
Looks like it would make ropes fuzzy quickly with those teeth on the wheel, think I will stick with the rescuecender.

Mechanical parts which move on belay devices scare me although I sure that it is more than safe being petzl.
J.C.
2/02/2010
1:41:54 AM
The ASAP is great for rope access, it has many advantages over a shunt etc if you're doing very straight forward up&down drops... it has it's drawbacks though, even in that application. Personally I wouldn't use it as a top roping or rope-soloing device but I haven't got any real facts on hand to back up my sentiments.

belayslave
2/02/2010
7:59:16 AM
>Would this work upside down for solo aiding? Any info on impact forces it can cope with? Also, what
>did it cost you?

I know the manufacturers don't recommend it for anything other then on a fixed line so i would say it
shouldn't be used in any other configuration for solo aiding.
It is designed to be used with a shock absorber. the shock absorber is designed to deploy after a
factor 2 fall with a 100kg weight.
The retail cost for the units is quite high $359.

>belayslave, do you work in the high access industry?

I have previously worked in high access but don't anymore. i'm just a gear freak who likes an efficient
setup.

>It seems like a bit of overkill just to use for top roping. Then again, so does using two ropes. Very
>safe though, I suppose.

Yeah, perhaps a little overkill, but it's what i feel safe using so that's what i'll use. Seems strange
when i'm more then happy to lead on a single rope!

>Looks like it would make ropes fuzzy quickly with those teeth on the wheel, think I will stick with the
>rescuecender.

I've wondered about this and will post again after i've used it more to let you know how it goes.


>The ASAP is great for rope access, it has many advantages over a shunt
>etc if you're doing very straight forward up&down drops... it has it's
>drawbacks though, even in that application.

What kind of drawbacks have you noticed Josh?

> Personally I wouldn't use it as a top roping or rope-soloing device but I haven't got any real facts on
>hand to back up my sentiments.

My setup is very similar to a twin rope standard high access rig. I'm attached to my 'working' line
short with a mini-traxion (looked at rescue-cender and may get one eventually to replace mini-traxion),
on the backup line i have the ASAP with the absorber. Don't see any difference to my use compared
to in rope access.

On 2/02/2010 Josh Caple wrote:
>Personally I wouldn't....

As Josh wrote, it's all about personal choice. i feel happy with my setup, but welcome critique
to help refine it.
J.C.
2/02/2010
9:59:13 AM
Right on, I thought you meant that your ASAP was your only point of attachment.

One of the major disadvantages for me was the inability to equalise between ropes. When I worked in RA I would very very often use tension on my backup to help hold me in position, whether to hold me stable while working with live loads or simply to cover a wider area per drop. It also had a tendency to clutch up on fast abseils, but I guess that is just doing it's job!

belayslave
2/02/2010
1:04:38 PM
On 2/02/2010 Josh Caple wrote:
>Right on, I thought you meant that your ASAP was your only point of attachment.
>
>One of the major disadvantages for me was the inability to equalise between
>ropes. When I worked in RA I would very very often use tension on my backup
>to help hold me in position, whether to hold me stable while working with
>live loads or simply to cover a wider area per drop. It also had a tendency
>to clutch up on fast abseils, but I guess that is just doing it's job!

Yeah good point on the not being able to take the wait easily with the ASAP. I would find that very annoying in a rope access situation. I guess most of the time you'd always be carrying some form of another ascender, whether it be croll or standard ascender which could be used.
Gareth
2/02/2010
1:09:18 PM
I'm sure Josh just uses his massive guns.

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