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Accident on Loboff 5/3/2011 9-Mar-2011 At 11:46:56 PM Gavo

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On 9/03/2011 kieranl wrote:
>Christ on crutches! I didn't realise we were such a smart bunch.
>This exemplifies the smug, self-satisfied preaching on this thread that
>is frankly nauseating.
>Have none of you people been a bit reckless, got away with it then realised
>what you've done? If so you're unlike just about any climbers that I've
>mixed with, even the very safe ones.

THANKYOU! That is what I was saying all along!!! Ive (and I admit Im not a model for safety in general) made a million little decisions in my life that if circumstances allowed would result in my death.

FFS, if someone trips over climbing down the back of Piccolo and tumbles to their death.. will they be judged by people saying they should have been belayed down instead of downclimbing it like 99.9% of the climbing population???

And its not even just for climbing! How many people ALWAYS pull over and sleep the moment they feel tired driving. Or who follow every safety protocol in every thing they do.

Im not saying its ok to cut corners, but I dont think there is a person alive, besides the 40 year old virgin, who doesnt at some stage.

I dont think he deserves all this judgement to be honest. Discussion is fair enough but at times it seems borderline personal attack on his capabilities and thats bloody bullshit. One fuchup and a person isnt experienced or capable?

And yes Sara, Larry did put in ALL gear on his first climb