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Chopping Prow Prowess - TR 14-Jan-2013 At 4:15:54 PM Olbert

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Unfortunately since I'm no longer a member of the WCC I cannot provide a current transcript of the entire discussion, however, I did copy and past all of the thread (as of 12 Dec) into a word document. I have uploaded it to Drop Box for those who want to read it here.

That is at least half if not more of the discussion that went on. A couple of other people chimed in as well after this point as well.

The final post by Terry was actually a personal message (so I still have it) to all the participants in the discussion which was this:

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sent to posters on Oli's original '21/11' thread - LG,NR, PN, OK )
HI ok guys, my final recommendations on this - as its consumed too much time with too little benefit.
I believe your case could have been more helpfully put to me, as:
Reasons for chopping Prow Prowess:
a) its presence will cause climbing at MtK to be banned
b) its position causes a safety issue re climbers & walkers
c) the bolts are unsightly in this location
d) it is a worthless climb
e) x no. of regular MtK climbers 'scientifically' surveyed think it should go or NPWS think it should go
With factual examples/data for a) (occurring at 'like' crags), b) & e) provided
Due to the way Oli originally/continued to present the issues to me , the chockstone posts and the 'multi-alias' issue - I am still VERY SUSPICIOUS that all of this might just be a one big nasty "trolling" joke ... But for now I will pretend that you guys are being serious.
During the early days of the MtK project, I of course tried to contact the original developers/guardians of the area = R Young , A Prehn, G Hill
RY never respond to emails/sms/phone calls, AP said 'do what ever you want to the place', GH has been very helpful. After 50 routes, 200+ hours of effort, $2,700+ spent, etc. I also see myself as a guardian of the area.
For lots of factual reasons G Hill and I both think the route can stay. I actually think the bridging start and inclined incuts make it a 'unique' route to the mtn. But of course, you guys are free to do what you wish.
thanks, its been an experience.
p.s. One small piece of background - I have spent the last 11 years (2 to 6 weeks a year) with IFMGA/NZMGA professional guides/climbers (who train for 3-5 years to get their qualif., who must pass exams , must study std. texts, etc.) - they are my mentors, my benchmarks. They determine how I view the HD/Local/IHC climbers.
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