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Eco Crag, Touch-Type? 26-Mar-2009 At 1:31:14 PM robertsonja

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On 26/03/2009 Eduardo Slabofvic wrote:

>I managed to the routes in this area on a top rope prior to the bolts
>appearing, which says to me that
>natural belays are available.

Of course natural belays are available its an established trad route at Arapiles.....

>The bolts are in now, so it's too late.
> Chopping them is just going to make
>the people that put them in in the first place get cranky and drill more
>holes.

WTF - its never too late chop bolts, and if rectifying a wrong makes people cranky and perpetrate again...where would our justice system be?

>But maybe; just maybe, the
>people putting the bolts in might like to have a look around to see if
>trad anchors are available. Arapiles
>has always been about only putting bolts in when natural gear is not available.

No that is not what Arapiles has always been about. With those sort of degraded ethics we'll end up with bolts in every piece of rock that won't hold a Black Diamond MicroCam.

>Does your route go straight up from the belay, or do you mean left of
>the chimney bit? Do I get a T-shirt or
>any other kind of encouragment?