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Crag & Route Beta

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VIC Arapiles	The Northern Group	(General)	Kachoong Cliffs	[ Arapiles Guide \| Arapiles Images ]

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Protection on Kachoong 1-Jan-2007 At 5:41:26 PM armyiain

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On the note of the fixed pin, I can't specifically comment as I haven't done the route yet. However, as long as clipping it wouldn't cause rope drag, I find it hard to see why someone wouldn't (although I suppose it might take a bit of energy to clip it whilst upside down hehehe)

BP, I'll get there one day, unfortunately due to injury my climbing has really stalled. When I get strong again, and build my confidence a bit more, I'll happily get on the sharp end for Kachoong.
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>Also I cannot remember ever having said what climb (or grade) I would be doing any >particular afternoon on this site, other than to say that I would be keen to get back to >my project after spending so much time, effort, and cash on the Alis chains (that >project is now complete)

Not on this site mate, but my experience has been that when my mates and I (all self-confessed bumblies) talk of our plans to go hit up 13s and 14s (and we mention climbs, not grades), other, harder, climbers can't wait to drop the grade of their last send in an egotistical manner. This attitude isn't helpful I don't think. I doubt this is unique to climbing. But on the other hand, I have met many excellent climbers who crank quite hard, but are willing to spend a bit of time and interest to nurture the bumblies (and indeed without them, I doubt I would have ever gotten into climbing).

>I'm not having a go at you, like you did earlier,"irrational,unreasonable,pridefull,& >egotistical" are the judgements you made of me.

I actually specified that I wasn't talking to you there, but to other climbers who are
cranking way harder than I.

With regard to beta, the only beta I want to know about a climb is

a) is it safe?
b) will I need any special gear (ie no 4 cam or above, lots of small wires, etc)
c) its grade
d) length and number of pitches

so I guess our ethics are quite similiar BP. Cheers.