On 14/02/2013 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>Again; what facts are you looking for as I am unclear what you are seeking
>here, i.e. that which match your reality?
>Are you suggesting I take a tape measure with me next time, and forward
>a report to Chockstone; ... and if it is 3 cm this way or that, will it
>change your opinion?
Just general information that no one has supplied so far that would be normally assessed before placing any bolt in any climb. What is climbing like after the bolt, does it ease off? How far would a climber fall? How much easier than the crux start? Where and what is the gear like before the bolt? Does the flake still take wires? How good are they? And the (obviously subjective) what were the wires like before the flake broke?
>Speaking of opinion...
>I have vague memory bells ringing that you are/were once a 'local' (lived
>in The Beechworth-Wodonga area??), for climbing at Mt Buffalo...
>The way you write, indicates to me that you are in favour of how this
>bolting has been done at The Horn.
>If this (being in favour of that bolting), is not the case then please
>clearly say it.
I've only climbed the Pintel LHV once quite a few years ago. I've already stated that I found the climb less run out than I expected although I'm comfortable on slabs so that might explain it. I also know conditions effect slabbing greatly. If memory serves me right the climb really eases off after the start and therefore I'm "guessing" the bolt probably isn't needed. However I don't know and therefore I'm keeping an open mind.
Oh, and the buffalo update just posted shows that some/all of other bolts have been there for close to 5 years!
>>And, well done on making the bolt choppers thread. Great way to communicate
>>in a positive way. There is a difference between passion and fundamentalism.
>You fail to see the humour in the title I chose for that/those experiments.
>My intention was to also highlight the availability of that new function
>within Chocky, and I doubt many people would have read the post/s if it
>was titled, Let's all go to Werribee again!
Yeah right, just like the Safe Cliffs thread that was started by another fundamentalist.