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Bolting at The Horn, Mount Buffalo 14-Feb-2013 At 1:51:22 PM rolsen1

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On 14/02/2013 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
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>Maybe readJMK's recent posts for some facts?

JMK does not talk about the safety factor, whether the bolts prevent a ground fall what the quality of the pro above and below is like. I think he was in favour of the leaving the bolts in, no?

>What facts are you looking for? A number of people (including myself),
>clearly stated in earlier posts on this thread that they have done Pintle
>LHV since the bolt. I extensively elaborated about the broken off flake
>adjacent (now below) that bolt, and the effect it (and the bolt), had on
>the climb for me...
>

The effect of the bolt on the climb for you is not a fact it is your opinion. Have you bothered to go and do the Pintle LHV again so that you can check whether your rhetoric matches reality?

>What makes you think they were ever going to do that(?), given they retro'd without >informing/justifying/discussing beforehand.
>On the contrary I would suggest that if they become aware of this thread, they may
>amend their actions in future (hopefully in a positive way), in the light of passionate
>responses it has brought out, as it is much easier to remain anonymous than deal with
> confrontational issues face to face.

For all the posturing that goes on about chopping on this board how many bolts actually get chopped, yeah I didn't think so.

And, well done on making the bolt choppers thread. Great way to communicate in a positive way. There is a difference between passion and fundamentalism.