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Perisher Backcountry ski/climb trip info! 23-Aug-2012 At 9:47:34 PM citationx

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On 23/08/2012 Paulie wrote:
>On 16/08/2012 citationx wrote:
>>I'd love clarity on your "first day" comment and why you think this is
>>so.
>
>Citation...we're not saying it's impossible, just not ideal. etc.

Combined with earlier post "If you've never used free heel gear then stick with AT, your 'fun tour' will become a misery otherwise."

I had this discussion with climberman off board, and I didn't really respond. but you've brought it up again, so i'll bring it up again... again (I think climberman saw my original post before I deleted it to write this).

Paulie, if he's not going to do anything spectacular, and he's never used either AT or tele gear, why will the tour become a misery? One who takes tele skis doesn't have to telemark. You and climberman can't explain this (aristotle never won an argument with "just because"). If he has to free heel to go up into the BC, and he's carrying a massive pack that he's never done on skis of any kind, and he's not going to shred, then please explain why he won't have fun using teles? He has never gone up a hill in skis anyway, so any form of free heeling is going to be new to him. So the part that will be the same (big pack aside) is the coming down.

My point is that when turning on teles, in an alpine technique, the heels are pushed into the skis anyway. You can snowplough, parallel, christie, whatever you want, in both teles and alpines because the heel will always be pushed into the ski doing these turns. In this case whether he uses AT gear or tele gear, the effect on his skiing ability is the same - it's the pack that will determine if he stands or falls. As said, I always ski both tele and downhill in tele bindings, depending on my mood and the terrain.

If you don't agree with what i've just said, please demonstrate why. If you can't counter it, i'm still interested to hear why he won't enjoy it ("Because he's not used to the gear" isn't an argument, how you use the gear is what will make it fun or not)