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Bell Supercrag 3-May-2012 At 1:44:37 PM Linze

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On 3/05/2012 Mr Poopypants wrote:
>Linze,
>
>Yeah, there are often beat ups about stuff, but don't think problems don't
>exist and can lead to closures. I assume you are referring to the problems
>at Shipley in 2000. I can assure you they were not a beat up. Local climbers
>met repeatedly with the Council, removed some offending routes and bolts
>and redirected some others. Problem solved. Some of the same officials
>are currently involved in the access negotiations to the County, Dam Cliffs
>and the Freezer (not council).
>Mikl was right about the camping - it's a small issue for us to deal with
>and avoid in return for being able to climb hassle-free at places like
>Diamond Falls.
>
>I for one think it's well worth fixing the little things up for land managers
>so we get to keep the big thing (climbing).
>G.
>
yeah, I appreciate that real issues exist, and that we should take approriate step to sort them. but i also think that in some climbers need to get over the land managers are out to shut us down mentality and respect the capacity of most working in the public service to consult with the relevant communities and come up with more creative solutions that crag closures (and doubt (m)any of them really want to see this happen as they would understand that climbing is a legitmate use).

I remember one council staff member getting fed up with people contacting them in a panic about shipley. The callers it seemed, were armed only with a bunch of nonsense info that 'someone' had been sprouting at the crag. hence my aversion to sonic's 'will get closed' garbage - i think that that sort of stuff is more threatening to access than a few rungs.