I cannot believe how selfish some people are and I am not talking about the landowners!!!!! We have it good here in oz and ANYTHING that could potentially upset our access must be avoided not only for us but those who come after. What is the point about bitching about land owner issues - how it came about is now irrelevant - just deal with it or you just sound like a whining baby. Remember that climbing while a passion is basically an irrelevant activity and we need to protect our access in a law abiding manner or the privilidge of climbing will be taken away like it was with the west wall of the 3 sisters. Do you really want to risk that?