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Way of all flesh permadraws 11-Jan-2010 At 2:18:20 PM linze

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On 9/01/2010 maxdacat wrote:
>On 7/01/2010 Linze wrote:
>> and are these draws depriving someone
>>of the onsite??
>>
>how? sports onsighting "allows" for preplaced draws no?

not if I ruled the world....

i have never claimed an onsight if the draws are up.... given it is harder to do the route putting the gear up..... guess it depends on where you are and which ethics police are around.... but if you are going to use the terms to delineate between the styles of the ascent there should probably different terms for gear up/down.... i would claim it as a flash...

otherwise, I guess my initial point, obviously not made that clearly, was that who decides when a route should be equipped this way when it is not the prevailing style? And, do they have the right to do so.....? Yeah it probably does suit this route in particular (bc it sucks to clean) and reflects the requirements of those that climb it most... but despite this I don’t see how an individual or small group can really claim to have the decision making authority to change the style of one route because it suits them....... (even though I am one of the ‘them’ that it suits)....

hopefully that fans the flames a little more..... i was hoping to start a (friendly) fight :)