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OT: Rebelious reopening of locked topic 31-Aug-2010 At 1:46:26 PM christos

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>Those same people may have agreed with Thoreau when the British came to
>give them the gift of Civilization. What about the nice fellas that were
>hanging out in Sydney harbor before some nice man gave them warm blankets?
> History is full of example of people doing "good" and even of a few examples
>of people really helping others.

Everyone benefits from the gift of civilisation – health, education, warm blankets etc. That it was and is abused is unfortunate indeed.

>What does the heartbreaking plight of
>the victims of disaster have to do with a discussion of about the morality
>of gay marriage?

You initiated the quote. I’m just pointing out that running away does little to make the most of our predicament of a positive existence together.
>
>>The good thing is you don’t have to trust them. And they don’t have to
>>trust you. So lets make the most of our predicament now that we’re here.
>
>On this we agree. I will not ever know how The Golden Rule set itself
>in my head. Was it my parents? Was it my keen observation of the the institutions
>I was raised in? I do know it wasn't reading Mathew 7:12. Yet here I am
>living my life according to the Golden Rule. Probably going to hell too.
> But that won't be because I have only read the bible as a text in a history
>of Western philosophy class. It will be for my often inappropriate sense
>of humor. One too many inappropriate jokes and woop straight to hell.
>
My understanding is that we all deserve hell because none of us, despite how good we think we are, can or will ever live up to the golden rule, or any of his rules. And that’s exactly why it was given - or at least why Jesus gave it - to show us our failing. So how can anyone avoid hell? That’s why God came and died on the cross.