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Lama on the Compressor Route 3-Jun-2010 At 5:41:57 PM dmnz

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I agree with a lot of what you've said about style/ethics and guiding as well, Duncan.

BUT...You might accept chalk and shoes but that doesn't mean it has nothing to do with ethics. Surely it makes it easier otherwise you wouldn't be paying all that money for it.

I use chalk and shoes as do lots of others. It's a personal choice. But to others chalk is not ethical.

Have a read of Chouinard's "Climber's Bill of Rights" for his views:
"If you use chalk, place a bolt, chip holds, leave fixed 'pro'...it's all bad ethics". That is just one example and one man's views but there you go. He goes on to talk a lot about guiding that you would agree with. And as I've said before he has been known to say some not so nice things about 'sport climbing' but again one man's views. We are not just making up arguments to put you down at all. At least I am not. I agree that a 13 yr old being guided up Everest isn't all it's made out to be by the media (But then again, what is?) but it's still not easy and as Gordoste says deserves some credit.

There is also no need or right to attack Duncan personally: @Cruze. I don't agree with his original posts on the other thread but I welcome his comments re style and even respect the fact he has stuck by them in the face of the responses. Just don't appreciate how he has done it.Anyway I've had my say.

It's not about right or wrong but tolerance and doing what is right by ourselves. For some the line is drawn here, for some there. Draw your own line and follow it.