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OT: Human Rights Framework 3-May-2010 At 4:33:38 PM Dave132

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On 3/05/2010 Phil Box wrote:
>On 3/05/2010 Dave132 wrote:
>> But I contend that people are morally equal.
>>Dave.
>
>Rubbish, no way am I equal to that low life scum pedophile Dennis Ferguson.
>
>As for Peter Singer, he preaches one thing then does the completely opposite
>thing.
>
>
>Gaaaahhh, I had intended to hang on to that forty foot barge pole in regards
>to this thread. We've always steered well clear of political threads here
>in good olde friendly chocky. This really is a climbing website and not
>a political website. I'd rather disciminate towards keeping it this way.
>
>By the way I hate intolerance in any way shape or form, I simply cannot
>tolerate intolerance.

When I say that people are morally equal I'm not saying that people are equally moral. Let's get that straight. I was making a claim regarding moral equality not someones preponderance to be moral. So in terms of moral equality in my way you are indeed morally equal to Dennis Ferguson. What I mean is that where you have equal interests they deserve equal consideration.

Peter Singer's behaviour, as bad as you may claim it to be, does not make his argument invalid. For instance if someone in slave times had an argument against having slaves, we would not disregard their argument based on the fact that they own slaves.

Ad hominem attacks like the one above work both ways however. For instance when someone says that a racist bigot is a "good bloke" that doesn't make his argument less fallacious, or pernicious for that matter!

This forum thing doesn't work well for reasoned argument. Please would some of you read my last post and try and understand the difference between moral equality and factual equality. Discrimination based on race is racism! You can't talk yourself out of that. You might want to say that racism isn't wrong but please admit that you are being racist and then we can move on and see how you try to justify your racist position. You will fail but it will be nice to see you try.

D.