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HEIMWEH?

ben cossey

20-Feb-2003
8:42:55 PM

has anyone tryed the route next to debutants and centerpedes called heimweh?
is it very hard for 26?

and is bird man of alkatraz hard for 23,or compared to the usual sporty 23's?

nmonteith

20-Feb-2003
8:56:26 PM

Jeez Ben, I thought you would be able to walk up Birdman with your eyes shut aqnd your hands tied behind your back. It seemed fairly spot on for the grade for me. The gear is good if you look for it - and it has good rest jug when you need them.

kieranl

20-Feb-2003
9:12:45 PM

I don't know about Heimweh but you have to remember that Wolfgang was in a class of his own at the time. Birdman was originally graded 21 by Kevin Lindorff. As a 21 it was top-of -the-range. I think Birdman is as hard as Orestes, given that I think Orestes is 23, not 24.

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