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Bolt removed at Denison Crag on Ben Lomond 21-Jan-2010 At 11:05:12 AM hotgemini

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On 21/01/2010 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>You obviously know much more about the Mt Flinders Cave issue than I.
>Given the length of time since it first came to my attention, I commend
>you for still being enthusiastic to the point of committing the time you
>have recently to the cause, as the issue appears to be ongoing(?) despite
>that I had heard that it was largely resolved (of sorts), when the climbers
>got their gear back.

It is largely resolved, I've been working with the same people on different issues/areas, although have engaged in quite a bit of dialogue about flinders, mostly to understand it from their side and to then compare notes.

>Dealing collaboratively still has frustrations though. A minor example
>is my recent seeking of feedback from the Balls Pyramid Management Plan
>Review. Sometimes it seems like trying to get blood out of a stone...

More often than not consultation is tokenistic, this is true. However where we fail to achieve the outcome desired by the climbing community I think we're too quick to assign all blame to the bureaucrat and not look at the shabby state of our own affairs. Lets use balls pyramid as the example, if it was really important to the climbing community it should have result in a least hundreds, if not thousands of responses. Chances are they probably received less than 20, so is the lack of response our fault or theirs?

-Adam.