so just to ease everyones mind, roberstonja (jason) is not a bolt nazi we have been in the Blue mountains for the last 3 days and have had fun climbing and clipping bolts, however that is the blue mountains, and every area has there own ethics and i think this is where the intial problem is. Jason is not complaining about someone painting numbers on a boulder in Fontainebleu or bolting a climb in Nowra, he is complaining about someone bolting a belay in a traditional climbing area, he obviously feels pissed off as someone has taken it upon themselves to bolt a belay on a trad route that was not bolted on the first ascent, the route sounds like a peice of shit anyway. Its the principal, just like when Robert McMahon & Gerry Narkowicz chopped there own abseil anchor on Ben Lomond to prove a principal about not bolting on Ben Lomond, if the belay was fiddly and gear hard to find when he was preparing the route for the guidebook maybe he should have included that in the guidebook, at the end of the day i don't really care, i just want araplies to be a trad cliff with strong ethics, look at the UK they have tiny little cliffs that are not world class but there ethics are what makes the place what it is, its the principle of the debate not the actual climb or bolts |