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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 25-May-2009 At 9:08:04 AM GravityHound

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>For heavens sake, if there are "pages of evidence" rather than pages of
>government report filler, give it your best shot ... TELL US !! ... put
>it in your one words why you believe man's CO2 is causing global cooling
>... or warming.

Why is CO2 affecting the climate? Due to it's physical properties, it absorbs heat that is radiated by the earth. Pretty simple really.

>
>True believers shouldn't find it so hard to express why they follow their
>railway engineer and politician gods, should they ?

This is what I find somewhat amusing in your whole argument Tony. You fail to see the irony in this - because some guy is a railway engineer he doesn't have the ability to work on CC. Yet you (profession unknown) have so far in this thread claimed to know better than;
- said railway engineer and a few thousand climate scientists and,
- the staff of the Hadley Centre who, on their website, have used the data you have plotted to show cooling to develop a lot of information to support the notion that CO2 is MAKING A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION (not causing) CC.

>Could it be that it really is blind faith ? You can't find any evidence
>????

The evidence is there, you are either not willing to accept it or your understanding of the science is rudimentary enough that you are willing to argue against it.

Like Evan I am willing to put up with some personal pain and sacrifice something for the greater good. You are not willing to do this, so be it. It doesn't frustrate me that I give money to charities, blood and generally go to great lengths to minimise the impact my family and I have on this planet and all that it supports. In fact I enjoy it. There is more to life than plasma screen TV's and home entertainment systems.

This thread has made me put myself in the shoes of people such as yourself and I think I get much less frustration from the entire CC debate. When I see solar panels on roofs I like it, when I go fishing in my canoe on the lake under the Carcoar windfarm I enjoy it, when they put up monitoring towers for a windfarm 5 km from my home I think its a good thing (as do the farmers who could get the turbines). For people such as yourself I imagine these things are just reminders of the great CC swindle. For me, they are reminders that we can, with or without CC, live our lives without digging large holes in the ground and spewing pollutants into the air.

I know that action to mitigate CO2's contribution to CC will happen, and bring it on. I will sleep better at night.

Apologies to everyone else for my fanaticism on this issue, baseless ill-informed arguments against CC can really rub me the wrong way as can the attitude by some that the risk of large impacts on the welfare of millions of people is not a good enough reason to make a small sacrifice in a society where many people have an extremely high quality of life, relative to billions of others on this planet. I will now go back to lurking.

BTW Tony, I downloaded the the data from the Hadley Centre link, pulled it into Excel and plotted it using Systat (couldn't be bothered labelling axes etc.). Looks somewhat different to the data your macro plotted. One of us has made a mistake.

When I fitted trend lines the only way I could get a negative trend was fit an exponential. An exponential relationship is invalid for this data. Is this relevant if we are interested in long term trends? No. Is this relevant if it makes you think about your 'proof' of cooling? Maybe.

In response to your cooling graph, we have had no snowfalls so far this Autumn at home and only a handful of frosts, we still have some tomatoes in May when they are usually all well and truly frosted to death by the start of April. The data is there on BOM. Using your rationale, this has to be sure fire proof that the globe is warming?