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OLD ROCK STAR WILL GIVE YOU $8000 2-May-2009 At 4:55:32 PM Cranky
On 1/05/2009 evanbb wrote:
>On 30/04/2009 Cranky wrote:
>>Evan, I'm not against green power, I don't like the way the figures are
>>'glossed up' to make it seem that there is more green power being generated
>>than there is.
>Hmmm, I'm not sure what your problem is here. What do you mean by 'glossed
>up'. My post about ABARE and the GreenPower report was to show that there
>is more green energy being produced than is being voluntarily purchased
>by consumers. I don't think anyone is suggesting that it is in anyway a
>significant amount compared to total. The 1.2TWh you mention (total for
>Aus) is 4 times what Sydney Water use in a year. So if you're outraged
>about Greenpower as a total percentage then I'm with you brother. It's
Yes, I was trying to point out that the amount of green power being produced in total for the whole country is only enough to supply a few suburbs on the lower north shore of Sydney.
>However, people who pay for GreenPower for their home or business
>are definitely getting it; there's about 6 times as much being generated
>as is needed. Why?
I didn't realise there was more being generated than what people were paying for.
But because it goes into the grid, everyone benefits, if you pay extra for it or not. Yes, it is good that people pay extra for green power to send a message to the government, but its a bit like volunteering to pay extra tax. (I know that sounds a bit cynical)
>First, I think there's some speculative generators out there, like Babc--k
>and Brown Wind (separate to the B&B power that went belly up) who are hoping
>for take up in the future. This is partly driven by MRET (the Mandatory
>Renewable Energy Scheme) which states that all retailers must buy XX% green
>regardless of subscription rates. This is out to 20% in 2020. MRET is probably
>the only good thing Howard achieved WRT renewables, but Rudd cranked it
>up to the current levels. The last thing that is driving it is 'Green Washing'
>by big Corps (like Sydney Water) looking to improve their image. For those
>in the area, the wind farm being built at Bungendore, SE of Lake George,
>is to power the Desal plant.
>But, you're right about the numbers. We're not making much compared to
>total load. Not sure what to do about it, except compare it to the number
>of tonnes that CCS has actually sequestered world wide. (I'll give you
>a hint, it's less than the tonnes saved by SW in a calendar year by running
>their biogas engines...)
I've not heard much about geothermal lately. I think this is the way to go for reliable baseload power.
Tim Flannery wrote an interesting Quarterly Essay recently about coal, power etc.

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