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Trad routes as projects? 28-Feb-2008 At 10:24:05 AM Cath

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On 28/02/2008 f_abe wrote:
>Neither is it a direct attack on the first ascensionist.

Really??? You make some strange comments, for someone not trying to attack the first ascentionist. Of course you have a valid point about not placing bolts on predominately trad lines, but everyone has their own opinion on this, and it's not a debate I have any desire to rehash all over again.

With comments such as "gotta hang that red tape from somewhere", and "there are those out there with the skills and the balls to do it all on trad", your disclaimer of not attacking the first ascentionist seems plainly untrue. Maybe a return to basic English lessons would be a good idea for you, as you plainly are experiencing some confusion over the meaning of your statements, and are unintentionally being nasty and sarcastic.

On 28/02/2008 f_abe wrote:
>"before climbing it on pre-placed gear (why not just bolt the whole thing?)"

The gear was placed ground up, not pre-placed on rap. And you ask 'why not just bolt the whole thing??' Since when is leaving in the gear for your repeat attempts, the same as bolting the whole route????

On 28/02/2008 f_abe wrote:
>At the end of the day I don't really care cos I will never climb it, and people can do with it as they want so long as it makes them happy.

Exactly. You try and climb that start with no bolt, on the 'bomber cam placement' as you call it, and then come back and post about how unneccessary the bolt is. People who may actually be able to do it all on trad have been up there, looked at it and walked away. And furthermore, have been encouraging of Adams' attempts, and had no issue with being 'denied their right to climb it all on trad'.