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Who is responsible for bad belaying? 19-Nov-2007 At 10:21:46 AM Joad

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wow, get to work on monday and this thread has really taken off.

In reply to Certifi,

In my opinion from what I have seen of your belaying, there are definitely aspects of poor technique that should be rectified. Most of what you said about noise, distraction etc has been discussed already, so I won’t go into that.

On 17/11/2007 certifi wrote:
i
>think that without correct understanding of my belaying technique you
>have no right to point the finger
>at me and taking a stab at my belaying technique because you don't understand
>what i am doing. i
>take offence to the fact that you think i am a novice climber, having
>been trained by some of
>australias heavy weights and having trained hard and long to improve technique,

Firstly I don’t think you are a novice climber, you climb well from what I have seen. Nor am I attacking you personally, incorrect belaying is something I have seen to much of in gyms and I was asking what people thought of it regarding responsibility. Your accident was just a pertinent and timely example to use, note that I did not name the gym or any climbers.

>i think that i deserve
>a sorry from your self after your relentless attacks at myself and my
>ways.
stop hiding under an ip
>address and come and talk to
>me personally, thats just how id prefer to talk to you. as i said earlier
>it was noones fault except fates.

Secondly I have spoken to you personally before when you and your partner traversed in front of my belayer, whilst I was climbing and he was close to the wall. In fact my belayer asked both of you not to traverse in front of him, your partner ignored him and pushed into him whilst he was belaying. Remember me?

If you do I would be happy to discuss with you belaying or climbing. I generally do not speak directly to belayers I consider to have bad technique unless it is immediately and severely dangerous, as I feel it is taken better from a member of the gym staff.

Thirdly blaming fate is a cop out, taking responsibility (not that I believe you were entirely responsible for this particular accident) shows humility, something which the ‘heavyweights’ of climbing have not yet taught you, and is a fantastic way to learn from your mistakes.

Finally I apologise if you have taken or take personal offense to what I have written, it was never intended as a personal attack on you.