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Removing bolts to create trad paradise 6-May-2007 At 10:57:43 PM lacto

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if all the bolts were to be removed what would the legal liability be of those people who actually did the removal or encouraged the removal if somebody went up one of the climbs and had a serious accident where a bolt had been cut. I can remember someone taking a fairly serious fall where a bolt had been chopped because there were a couple of good rp placements where the bolt had been but the climbers didn't possess rps as they were realatively new and were expecting to find the bolt. The first time I climbed at rosea was with a leader who use 5 or 6 pitons and some refined engine nuts on rope slings as well as using a laid "millers number four rope" . that was the way the climb was put up but i doubt whether anyone in their right mind would suggest that is how the climb should be done now. However i still have the guide book from the 70's . Guide books since then will mention bolts and surely if bolts were to be cut then it would have to be with a guarantee that anybody climbing there after the cutting would be aware that the bolts were gone. How many signs and what size would be needed for this to be achieved.Would this signage enhance the experience of any climbimg group.I think it is a good idea not to have anymore bolts placed there or existing bolts upgraded but think that if the bolts were cut or even discussed being cut people would be opening themselves and possibly even the participants in favour on this forum to legal difficulties if somebody seriously injured themselves where a bolt had been cut. If the bolt is old and manky and fails thats the person who clipped it descision and nobody could be held liable especially if the bolt was placed pre 80's or 30 + years old. So advocate no new bolts or bolt replacement but leave those existing there and make it widely kmown that this is the policy at rosea.