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The new Blue Mountains guidebook
Onsight
11/04/2007
12:32:17 PM
As is the tradition on this site, I'd just like to announce the release of a new guidebook by saying the all new Blue Mountains Climbing 2007 Edition guidebook is available now.

Yay!



In the end it weighted in at 2372 routes detailed at 38 different climbing areas, 352 pages, A5, printed in full colour throughout, and with extensive use of cliff-photo topos. Features professional user-friendly design and lots of great action photos. It covers several areas not covered in guidebooks before or not in years (including Narrow Neck, The Egg, Kangaroo Corner, Gateway). The book has been fully rewritten from scratch and many areas route descriptions are far more detailed and comprehensive than in any previous guidebook. RRP is $54.95 which I think is pretty good considering it is 352 pages in full-colour.



Many thanks indeed to the many climbers who helped out! It was a massive production and many climbers were extraordinarily generous helping out authoring, editing, fact-checking and helping with numerous sections.

On my web site I've detailed some of the acknowledgements, given a bit more info about the project and posted some more sample pages. Check that out here.

The guidebook is available now from us by mail-order here. And it will be finding its way into the shops over the next few days.

Im now committed to updating the guidebook on a regular basis in the future. I welcome constructive criticism and corrections and have set up an email address:

guidebook at onsight.com.au

so that if anyone has corrections or new info then please use this address to let us know so that we can include it in the next edition. If the info is emailed to us directly then we will definitely have it and we can get in touch if we have queries and need to clarify any details etc.

Thanks again to those who helped!



TLockwood
11/04/2007
12:42:38 PM
looks impressive!

adski
11/04/2007
1:21:05 PM
Simon, it's great to see some new photos of the Bluies in there, it's inspiring stuff. My fave has to be of Dan Honeyman hitting up the Katoomba cliffs, carrying gear, wearing a helmet and going for it on a big adventure wall. Sweet!
mikl law
11/04/2007
1:25:09 PM
No, Sir Chris Bonnington doing what the locals do, sport-climbing, is the shot for me.

n00bpwn3r
11/04/2007
1:39:07 PM
On 11/04/2007 Onsight wrote:
> RRP is $54.95 which I think is pretty good

Your not going to say it's bad, seeing as your the one selling it and taking the profit.

Any of the royalties coming chockstone way to help pay to run this site? Or you happy to take the advertising for free?

nmonteith
11/04/2007
1:49:36 PM
...for f&*ks sake get over it n00b. This is NOT a public government funded website usign your taxes. It
is owned and operated by a private intenity who deems posts such as this acceptable due to SimonC
generous donation of time and photos to maintain this website. Simon donates generously in support
of the climbing community and should be applauded for his efforts in creating this guide. His positive
actions always speak much louder than your words.

on another note:

SimonC, why was the Rain Cave removed form this guide? I was quite keen to visit it due to the
constant rain over the weekend! Is it still accessible?


nmonteith
11/04/2007
1:54:57 PM
...and on another note, i was mighty confused visiting several crags in the Bluies with chalked grades at
the base that bore no resemblance to a) this new guidebook or b) reality. I'm sure the locals must be
amused at the awesome sandbagging, but it was pretty annoying for us!! (a certain '21' at the left side of
Bardens comes to mind - actual grade 24)

dougal
11/04/2007
2:00:28 PM
On 11/04/2007 n00bpwn3r wrote:
>On 11/04/2007 Onsight wrote:
>> RRP is $54.95 which I think is pretty good
>
>Your not going to say it's bad, seeing as your the one selling it and
>taking the profit.
>
>Any of the royalties coming chockstone way to help pay to run this site?
>Or you happy to take the advertising for free?


Many of us simply wouldn't hear about such things were it not that they were posted.

So bugger off.
kp
11/04/2007
2:14:23 PM
On 11/04/2007 nmonteith wrote:
>...and on another note, i was mighty confused visiting several crags in
>the Bluies with chalked grades at
>the base that bore no resemblance to a) this new guidebook or b) reality.
>I'm sure the locals must be
>amused at the awesome sandbagging, but it was pretty annoying for us!!
>(a certain '21' at the left side of
>Bardens comes to mind - actual grade 24)

I think you may find this is the work of a certain loudmouth

.."Bringing back some integrity to the mountains"...

n00bpwn3r
11/04/2007
2:15:48 PM
On 11/04/2007 nmonteith wrote:
>SimonC generous donation of time to maintain this website.

Get real, if it's not a guide then it's a coffee table book or a calender. I've got nothing against someone ringing a living out of climbing, but:

Forum Help: SPAM And Offensive Posts

"The Chockstone forum is not a vehicle for unpaid advertising material."

cruze
11/04/2007
2:22:02 PM
I reckon that guide book authors should charge what they want. Guide Books now represent much more than just a source of information. They feature amazing photos and stories. Colour printing isn't cheap. They contain more information than older guide books due to the increase in the number of routes. My book shelf is filled with guide books. I think of them more as a good read than something you throw (or keep) in your pack. They also usually have a very limited print run. If the Age had a circulation of a couple of thousand a year then I doubt it would retail for a couple of bucks. Look at textbooks. Right now I hold a text book worth $400 in my hands - and it isn't an anatomy text! They have an abundance of information, are well researched and should remain relevant for at least a few years - much the same as a guide book.

Congrats Simon and team! I saw it on the weekend and it looked like a really interesting format. If only I still climbed in the Blueys I would upgrade my now dated guide. Then again, maybe I will get a copy anyway...

nmonteith
11/04/2007
2:30:29 PM
On 11/04/2007 n00bpwn3r wrote:
>"The Chockstone forum is not a vehicle for unpaid advertising material."

Chockstone believes this is a worthwhile book that deserves to be publicized. The last one was
published 5 years ago, so its not like this forum is saturated with Bluies guidebook overload. Most users
of this site would love to know about this new publication. If you actually have any real input (ie
corrections, un-biased review) then please speak up. To me it seems your just spitting on someones
creative efforts.

Hawkman
11/04/2007
2:36:09 PM
I love it how the different forums create there own niche battlefields for every single post

Qurank generally degenerates to a bolting/ethics/grading war and now chockstone has a spam wars for everyone to focus on.

Btw simon and asscociated others i know its off topic but well done! The layout and formatting is fantastic. Its a great guide even if all my routes are under starred ;)
Onsight
11/04/2007
2:37:07 PM

Pathetic cheap shot n00bpwn3r.

Neil said it. I don't feel the need to either defend nor brag about my involvement with Chockstone.

Furthermore, numerous new guidebooks have previously been announced on this site and I see no reason why this new one should be any different. This sort of information is relevant and of interest to many climbers and Im certainly not going to stop others from using this forum to gather info for guidebooks or announce them when theyre produced.

If you want to start a thread to try to argue that no new guidebooks should ever be announced on this forum, then go ahead.
mikepatt
11/04/2007
2:38:16 PM
On 11/04/2007 mikl law wrote:
>No, Sir Chris Bonnington doing what the locals do, sport-climbing, is the
>shot for me.

...whoops, that should be Bonington... not BoNNington..

tnd
11/04/2007
3:05:20 PM
Neil/Simon, don't even bother biting, guys, n00bpwn3r is just another anonymous troll artist. You guys are investing the hours and dollars required to realise your projects. He's probably sitting with his hand down his strides giving it a tug.

tnd
11/04/2007
3:09:36 PM
On 11/04/2007 shawkshaw wrote:
>...Its a great guide even if all my routes
>are under starred ;)

I stole all your stars and put them on my routes...!
mikepatt
11/04/2007
3:26:23 PM
Actually I think all the stars migrated to Kangaroo Corner; check out all those **** & ***** routes out there!

And Firebug only gets ** !!!!!

But seriously, it's a great looking guide and an awesome effort. Well done Simon.

BigMike
11/04/2007
3:26:49 PM

Hey, they're talking about us!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/bloggers-reject-code-of-conduct/2007/04/11/1175971151941.html
Onsight
11/04/2007
3:27:39 PM
On 11/04/2007 nmonteith wrote:
>SimonC, why was the Rain Cave removed form this guide? I was quite keen
>to visit it due to the
>constant rain over the weekend! Is it still accessible?

Yes, still accessible. Well, we decided to best way to radically improve the guidebook was to start pretty much from scratch. This meant that without still being working on this guidebook 12 months from now, it simply wasnt possible to cover all of the areas with the thoroughness and accuracy desired. So we decided to put the effort into doing a better job of those areas that we did cover, and working on adding some important new areas not already in any recent guidebook. Rain Cave is covered in the last edition so the info is still around for those who really want it. There have been no changes at Rain Cave since the last edition, however the area is really a part of the larger Gardens of Stone area which is seeing some changes at the moment, so Id prefer to get all the new info and do a good job of it to including it all in the next edition (unless theres a reason not to include it).

On 11/04/2007 nmonteith wrote:
>...and on another note, i was mighty confused visiting several crags in
>the Bluies with chalked grades at
>the base that bore no resemblance to a) this new guidebook or b) reality.
>I'm sure the locals must be
>amused at the awesome sandbagging, but it was pretty annoying for us!!
>(a certain '21' at the left side of
>Bardens comes to mind - actual grade 24)

Not really sure what to say Neil, theres no accounting for some things that happen around this neck of the woods! I hope the guidebook grade was more accurate. Many of us made a real effort to keep the bollocks, sandbagging and deliberate under-grading out of the guidebook. Some things may have slipped though however. For example I noticed that Paddington went in as 24, its not, that is a mistake which I thought wed picked up and corrected yet somehow slipped through in the end. Such things are pretty trivial in the scheme of things though. Check out the Katoomba, Narrow Neck, Boyce, Piddo, York, Pierces and Cosmic sections, for example, and compare them to the pervious edition.


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