| On 19/03/2007 sc wrote: >The "grampians , selected climbs " is very outdated and not particularly
 >useful to europeans . I would suggest the guides on chockstone and the
 >A C A website are far more relevant for travellers .
 
 Huh, please explain????
 
 How do climbs get outdated, are the maps wrong, why is it not useful???? I'm in the Gramps at the moment, looks OK to me??
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