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Araps Rebolting 11-Jan-2006 At 5:33:55 PM uwhp510

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That seems fair enough, but the term safe is so subjective as to render it useless. Since everyone has a different level of risk that they are comfortable with, the idea that we should pull all "unsafe" pitons means that there would eventually be no pitons left, thanks to some overzealous safety nazi. I think if you can pull a piton by hand, then its probably a good idea to do so (there might be a little cam placement in its place I guess), but it you need a hammer/funkness device to get it out then it can probably stay.

Also a piton cannot be dangerous by itself (it doesn't jump out of the rock and gouge out your eyes as you climb past it for example), but the act of trusting a bad pin might be dangerous, hence all pitons are safe, but falling on them might not be.