General Climbing Discussion

Topic	Date	User
The greatest sandbags in Victoria	6-Aug-2003 At 11:42:09 AM	(removed)
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Toughest move theory certainly isn't accurate. According to it, not only is Monkey Puzzle 25 or 26, but so is Serpentine ! I could go on an on ... and I will ... Kachoong (21) is now 18 (that move pulling off the deck), Chain Of Fools (23) is soft 21 (getting off the ground), Two Tribes (24) also 21, High Dive (23) maybe 20 if you're lucky. Ewbank's system suggests that you should be upping the grade for run out dangerous stuff, and then suggesting in the description that it gets that grade because of the danger. You aren't supposed to be able to tell how "hard/runout/dangerous" it is by a single number. The English have been arguing this for yearsbut for God's sake, let's not introduce "E5 6a" etc. etc. into Australia.

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