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Quickdraws STOLEN from Millenium Caves 5-May-2005 At 6:06:04 PM RK

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On 5/05/2005 adamk wrote:
>Some people will see this as totally irrelevant but what the heck.<

It's not at all irrelevant adamk. It's the disfiguring chalk and rubbish both on the cliff and at the bottom that keeps me away these days from many of the places I used to love and frequent often and almost religiously. I genuinely feel sad when I do visit these places. I can say with total confidence that in the "olden days" the aesthetic and environmental values were just as precious as the great routes and great companions.

I know I'm just another "grumpy old man" (ABC) whinging about "progress", but if progress has to mean degradation of and a lack of spiritual awareness (I'm an atheist), of our environment, then you can keep it.

I'm amazed and deeply impressed by the technical ability and technical standard of climbers today. I'm just sorry the majority seem to be unable to see beyond the utilitarianism and the materialism. Perhaps there should be sport crags, chalked trad crags, and trully clean trad crags?

Enough ranting and raving from me. I'm going off to look for somewhere quiet, peaceful and unspoilt. Thankfully those places are still out there. Happy climbing!