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to A(id) grade or not to A(id) grade 18-Mar-2005 At 11:41:12 AM tundra

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Now there is a some Neil bashing going on: are we opposed to that view or just being good ozys and backing the loser, 'M' grade. We all know that the aid climbers in all of us are either sadists/social recluses not likely to turn up at this forum, strong willed adventurers who will go through this ordeal for the sunrise in the morning and the view, or Violent people who resort to this sort of thing for therapy and bumblies that like getting in over thier heads... they are all around the world and the culture is united by the 'A'. join the club?

The B Guider's are still assesing the controversy, remember that currently the total debate includes a small percentage of the greater community: we are also sounding out the issue on other levels: most buffalo stalwarts are unanimously in agreeance with the 'a', it seem the international precedent is strongest in thier eyes and has been for some time. these climbers arent really c-stoner types. Its important to remember that the decision will be made outside of this outcome. M8 has a strong arguement and Neil is consistent with the non-Cstoner buffalo community (unusual). I know of many climbers who have included ozy as a part of the tick list for a aussie roadtrip, there are climbers who are putting up serious new pitches on the north wall who have supplied the grading as 'A'. Free-climb abroad and adjust to local grading, aid-climb and expect consistency. I'm not sure how yet to accomidate the opposing views: the forum is not consistent with talk. The new guide will drag buffalo kicking and screaming (much like this forum) out of the dark ages and into the light, some things will change and heaps of new routes will follow (there is a lot of yet untravelled stone up-there). we are not writting the final chapter, all styles of climbing are being popularised rapidly: are we trying to keep Aussie aiding as a dark horse?

ps: M8, maybe you can be of assistance re details of other routes on the wall, sounds like your up with it: any other ascents asside trade routes with any info we should know?