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Adelaide or Melbourne 1-Mar-2005 At 11:10:08 PM rjc

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Need some help and advice here. I'm hoping to move to Oz from sunny old Wales, and have already realised that Victoria is the place to be for the climbing...problem is that wife's family are Adelaide based...and with a young family I may only be able to do day trips a lot of the time.

So, what is it really like?!
1. the local stuff around Melbourne itself?! (besides Gramps/Piles) I don't like climbing indoors, so any good local buildering/bouldering for training around?!
2. the local stuff around Adelaide? (besides Moonaire?) any good local buildering/bouldering around?!
3. Is it just as easy to get to Gramps/Piles from Adelaide as it is from Melbourne? 4 hours?
4. Non climbing - how do the two compare generally?

OK, so I guess I should live in between the two, but I don't think my IT skills will get me a job in Bendigo/Natimuk and it would be great for the family to have the coast pretty close too. Don't want much, do I?!

Thanks for your un-biased :-) help.
Rob