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re: snow flurries in argus 5-Jan-2005 At 5:41:15 PM rhinckle

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you don't have to clip a bolt if you don't want to.
you don't have to clip a bolt if you don't need to.
is there a difference between these two statements?

IMHO
the boldest trad person has a problem with bolts because
they want to clip them,
decide that they shouldn't,
then think that maybe there is a pro problem,
then decide that they might as well clip,
then find some dodgy pro
and
hate themselves for clipping.

GET OVER IT.

either clip when you can or NEVER EVER CLIP.
this is the philosophical difference.

if you have ever climbed something that required clipping a bolt then you are on one side of the arguement.
if you have NEVER EVER EVER clipped a bolt, you are on the other.

if you think that slabs need (runout) bolts
YOU ARE A CLIPPER.

if a piton or old sling is acceptable
YOU ARE A CLIPPER.

climbing (as in "chockstone forum: climbing discussion") is artificial.
as far as i can see
if you don't solo barefoot you don't have pure climbing ethics.

all the rest is a sport.

this is nothing to be ashamed of.

the only ethically pure person hasn't seem the guidebook, climbs, & is perhaps surprised at the bolts (if they see them), realises that someone else has been there.
(without the bolt you can maintain the pretence of virginity)

I will admit that I am grateful for bolts. (personally, i don't like fixed hangers, but that's just me)
and i will stop here.
'bye all