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Trad climb? (2) 21-May-2003 At 9:59:51 AM eddym

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I think it does help the discusion A5...

I can certainly understand your thoughts on a number of points there.

With respect to your specific incidence, I guess you felt removing the pin still maintained the 'original' nature of the route (particularily it's boldness). Whereas the following parties disagreed. This may lead to questions of the integrity of the 'original' nature of the route I guess.

I think it's difficult to determine the boldness of a route in some respects. A well protected 15 for someone who comfortable onsights 22s may be terrifying for someone at their lead limit on 15. They could climb run out ground through a crux and not actually notice it I guess. I know that if I am climbing at a grade well beneath my onsight level and I'm asked about the boldness of the climb I am sometimes reluctant to comment because of this reason. Could this scenario be playing a part in the saga you had with the pin? What do you think?

Thanks for the interesting input A5...