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The ben thing is not dead (aka. failing ethics) 21-Sep-2004 At 2:45:08 AM rexonashakewell

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Hey this issue is the first thing that's flared me up enough to finally write something on
chockstone. (note correct spelling of write people), and I don't believe its dead at all.

Firstly, climbing is about personal challenge, commitment and endeavour, which has been traditionally competitive only in a goading everybody to do better manner. Climbing for ego is and always will be uncool!

The issue is the degrading state of ethics within our sport, not just by Ben (whom I do not know), but by a host of people who wish to commercialise climbing and make it palatable for everyone. If you allow this issue to be quashed to protect someone's bruised ego and to avoid a few inflammatory remarks from high profile morons then your abetting the demise of victorian ethics and condoning the rape of our love.

This thread is not a thinly disguised debate of trad v sport it is a question to everyone about the very essence of why they climb.

It has always been both love and ego that brought people to climb. Love of the mountains and an ego driven desire to consummate that love.

For the people who need a translation, I'm saying that climbing is the same as sex. By all means go out there and rape whatever you ****** like but dont think you can behave like this and not experience the anger of people whose loved one you've desecrated.

No. Sorry wont make it better and neither will the excuse that others did it too. (By the way the bystanders are all accessories).

A sad era has begun in climbing, where the people who have attained but one aspect of climbing brilliance chose to lead their followers and everyone else down a road that history will condemn them for.

So all you would be superstars, take your ego's and your bullshit and pursue a career in football where that behaviour is acceptable. Leave climbing for those who appreciate her and love her without the tyranny of numbers.

Its time people to claim back our love from those who wish to cheapen it.
This is war.

To all the inspirational hard climbers out there whatever your grades make a stand lest all our rock be defiled.