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Your grading system is f#@ked 19-Sep-2004 At 8:45:12 PM Archangel in Oz

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Hmmm there obviously seems to be something lost in translation here (although I was being slightly cheeky). I am not complaining about your wall (which is very good) or your 'indoor system'. It isn't your grades that are f#@ked. That's your system, however you want to do it is fine. (Apologies if you thought I was referring to you specifically).

What I was trying to suggest was that if you apply the Ewbank system to everything it can't possibly work. Everything includes multi pitch trad routes, single pitch clip-ups and the first couple of moves on a wall in Melbourne.

Other than being told 'the English system is wank so there' I haven't heard any real defence of how your system (the Australian) is so much better. I am coming back later in the year and hope to get my head round the issue a bit more after doing a lot more routes (on rock).

I thought you Aussie's knew how to sledge?