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The Irish Solution to The Ben Lomond Problem 23-Sep-2017 At 2:50:42 PM Doug
On 23-Sep-2017 Wendy wrote:
>On 23-Sep-2017 johny wrote:
>>Hey Wendy you have a really good sense of humor and I agree with most
>>of your comments. And also I don't think its wrong to have a good shot
>>at presenting your side in a debate. I was just pointing out that i think
>>you missed what I think is the most compelling part of Gerry's position
>>in that it is a romantic ideal to keep the place bolt free.
>You know, I think we actually agree that this is in fact the argument.
>All the other stuff that has been presented to justify keeping ben lomond
>bolt free is just a way of justifying what the advocates really believe
>- a romantic idea of a bolt free crag. That's fine if that's then the line
>they then argue. But I think you might be the only person admitting that
>that is the argument.

Wow! This thread is getting somewhere! Totally get the romantic argument of a bolt-free crag. And of course what that is all about is keeping the carry-your-own-pro climbing ethic and experience unadulterated with fixed gear (we can overlook for the moment the fixed pro that John Fantini inserted so many decades ago I guess). Re keeping the crag tat-free and beautiful, hanging fixed lines off the crag for a day or a week or a season ... isn't that just as unsightly? Of all options for descent, which one has the least impact, visually and environmentally?

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