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Manufacturing 11-Aug-2004 At 8:07:09 PM Damietta

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On 11/08/2004 alrob wrote:
>what would everyone here say about the route if they did it and didn't
>know about the drilled holes? if you came back and raved about how good
>it was, then found out part of it was manufactured?

I think it becomes pretty apparent that things aren't natural when you sink two fingers deep into a perfectly symmetrical, deep, slotter with scars all around it.

However, I take your point ie is it wrong if you didn't know about it? I think that it would feel wrong to most people when they DID know the hypothetical route was drilled, or at least they might think less of the first ascentionist - depending how the offending hold fits in with the context of that particular area - Nowra, no worries, the Gramps - based on the posts in this thread today it sounds like we gotta problem.

You're right.In a sense the drilled hold physically is not so much of a problem for most of us, but it is what it implies and how it cuts across the philosophy of freeclimbing in that particular area.

Neilo, the debate is very interesting and we've all got across some good points, but you shouldn't waste too much effort in responding specifically to our VB drinking friend (have one for me, mate). I will be very interested to see what comes of this.

His early quote:

>>I like long walks on the beach

sums it up