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New Fees Sign in The Pines 23-Nov-2012 At 5:32:55 AM freesolo

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having just read the thread end to end after not logging into chockstone for some time, i am impressed that tracey and co. were able to sort out the fee mess. well done. this process would NEVER occur in the usa.

i have always thought the fees were a bit low at araps, and i think $4/per person/per night is fair, considering the huge number of non-local climbers who need to budget loads of money just getting to the crag.

my two, very strong recommendations for camping improvement would be 1. designated campsites like those at frog to prevent excessive erosion, digging trenches, and the infernal peg-pounding on friday night and 2. the construction of firepits like those at buffalo to prevent the death of helpful soil bacteria by having open fires on the ground, and prevent erosion. the pines will be dead soon, so shade and needle droppings will no longer protect the thin topsoil.

i expect to return to araps after my latest 3 year immigration ban for overstaying my visa again.