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OT: Plebiscite 22-Jun-2011 At 12:50:07 PM Linze

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On 22/06/2011 maxdacat wrote:
>All you're saying is let's pay more for our energy....I for one disagree
>with that proposition.

i think the proposition generally is more, lets pay the true value of energy, including the costs of second/third/fourth etc order impacts which are sometimes hard to undertand becasue they are not easily boiled down to $$ assessments.

Complex problems are difficult for the entire public to grasp, which is why governments are there to consider and make decisions on our behalf, and why the plebicites for this kind of thing are complete rubbish. Democracy is intended to be the right to have your voice heard and fairly considered, not the the right to have everything you want delivered in the manner that you want it done, which is a good thing given that the majority often lack access to the info nessesary to make informed decisions.

seems to me that the biggest failing with carbon pricing has not been the decision making as much as the commuication of the rationale, which has allowed abbott/jones et al to gain allies using the most basic of one liners rather than real arguments. 2gb has even fessed up to the fact that they used fake figures when discussing the impact of carbon (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3230989.htm)