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Bolting in the Warrumbungles 6-Jun-2011 At 10:04:13 PM king335

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yay finally the discussion i was hoping for. i good ethics debate is good (although a little boring) it keeps people aware of others thought/ opinions and personal ethics.

JRC- did the thought of simply replacing the piton enter your mind. pins are a great bit of kit and are much easier to inspect the quality/placment. the other nice thing is you can pull them out and place another back in the same spot without ending up with a nest of old bolts after a new one gets added every 10-20years.

"Sadly, not everyone who goes to the Bungles is as skilled as you are and sometimes they get into trouble even on one of the easiest climbs there. And, in the stress of a retreat situation, especially if there is a storm or an injury to cope with, they may not be in a position to place the most reliable pieces of backup equipment."

i would not consider myself a s"skilled" climber.
i find your assumed skill set of the average trad climber to be rather insulting. if you fear that most climbers are lacking the skills to climb safely then you should perhaps start sharing your experience and knowledge to more people. perhaps you could run a full week long climbing camp where all the "skilled" climbers could teach anyone who wishes to come along?

Martym- climbing is dangerous, thats what makes it so appealing to many climbers. to assume responsibility for other climbers is an outrages idea. all climbers are responsible for there own actions. if they make the wrong decision it is they that pay the price, not the party who made the first ascent and not the person who later added bolts/ left gear etc.

thanks mikl for the pic of all the tat. (sorry i've not got any of my own yet) you could of simply removed it. if everyone did this the messy tat thing wouldn't be an issue. i admit i am guilty of not removing old tat but i have also removed a great deal over the time.
did you mention to others that you backed up the second bolt with a length of.......TAT?

nmonteith- if you like i can round up the other bolt police to help remove the stairs. god i hate walking up those things (perhaps when they are gone we could put in an elevator, it would make the walk a hell of a lot easier)
as climbers we have little control over what NPWS does for its visitors, lets face it climbers are a minority. however we do have control over the climbs themselves. the great thing about climbing is it is a self regulating sport. thats what we are doing here, self regulating.

Eduardo- unfortunately a chain wouldn't really work. a cable might work where the second bold was but not the first. replacing the pin would be the only other real option.

does anyone know if you can actually get to the ground in a single rap from this point? it's a pitch and a halfs climbing to get there but if you went off the side maybe?