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Osteopath or Physio recommendation Melbourne?

The good Dr
4-Dec-2014
9:43:18 AM
And most medicos are not real Drs as they only have two batchelor degrees. The moniker Dr was stolen by medical folks in the days when their reputation was akin to butchers as a way of increasing their status and respect.

rb
4-Dec-2014
9:53:01 AM
I've been to see plenty of practitioners for various reasons, with varying success. If you aren't getting anywhere with whoever you are seeing, try someone else. Not all medical professionals are equally skilled at treating all injuries. I would not see the same physio for a knee injury as a shoulder injury. A specialist at one is unlikely to be an expert on the other.

Here's another way of looking at the difference between osteos and physios. We all use the outcomes of evidence-based thinking every day. Ropes, for example, are made the way they are because scientists studied the properties of nylon, documented stretch, breaking strain, etc, etc, and engineers applied this knowledge to making the kernmantle ropes we all use.
That is exactly what physios and medical doctors do, they take the outcomes of medical research, and apply it to patients. Osteopathy ignores the first step where assumptions are tested, and jumps straight to the conclusion - IE, "this works because I say it works". In almost every test osteo has been shown to be ineffective. I sure wouldn't be climbing on a rope made of an undocumented material, that through multiple tests had been shown to be no more effective than having no rope at all...
Jayford4321
4-Dec-2014
9:57:10 AM
On 4/12/2014 rb wrote:
>Here's another way of looking at the difference between osteos and physios.
>We all use the outcomes of evidence-based thinking every day. Ropes, for
>example, are made the way they are because scientists studied the properties
>of nylon, documented stretch, breaking strain, etc, etc, and engineers
>applied this knowledge to making the kernmantle ropes we all use.
>That is exactly what physios and medical doctors do, they take the outcomes
>of medical research, and apply it to patients. Osteopathy ignores the first
>step where assumptions are tested, and jumps straight to the conclusion
> - IE, "this works because I say it works". In almost every test osteo
>has been shown to be ineffective. I sure wouldn't be climbing on a rope
>made of an undocumented material, that through multiple tests had been
>shown to be no more effective than having no rope at all...

So then, what is the medical equivalent of soloing?
rb
4-Dec-2014
11:00:18 AM
On 4/12/2014 gnaguts wrote:
>So then, what is the medical equivalent of soloing?

Not going to a doctor.


Sandbagging: giving unqualified medical advice on forums.
gfdonc
4-Dec-2014
11:29:39 AM
On 4/12/2014 rb wrote:
> - IE, "this works because I say it works". In almost every test osteo
>has been shown to be ineffective. I sure wouldn't be climbing on a rope

I was a little bothered by your claim. I've used chiropractors and the ones I've used are binned into the quack category, but have worked with both osteo and massage therapists and believe they are effective as a treatment for suitable problems.

Apparently some evidence-based studies support this, it took all of 5 seconds to find one:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1746-1340/18/3

jprockbelly
4-Dec-2014
11:39:44 AM
On 4/12/2014 gnaguts wrote:
>So then, what is the medical equivalent of soloing?

Self diagnosis on Google.

On 4/12/2014 kieranl wrote:
>There are good and brilliant practitioners in all these fields and also
>those who are little better than quacks, whatever particular discipline
>they specialise in.

Here here, judge the practitioner not the field.

phil_nev
4-Dec-2014
1:46:53 PM
On 4/12/2014 gfdonc wrote:

>Apparently some evidence-based studies support this, it took all of 5
>seconds to find one:
>http://www.biomedcentral.com/1746-1340/18/3

Sorry Steve, that's not valid because it's not on Wikipedia!
JohnK
4-Dec-2014
2:04:08 PM
ok, time to get this thread back on track.

Any other suggestions about osteo's or physios in the inner suburbs that people can recommend for shoulders?

I have had good experiences with both in the past, but have not paid a visit to either for many years, - the main things is that they have very good experience with shoulders.

Thanks,

John K.

rb
4-Dec-2014
3:38:59 PM
>I was a little bothered by your claim. I've used chiropractors and the
>ones I've used are binned into the quack category, but have worked with
>both osteo and massage therapists and believe they are effective as a treatment
>for suitable problems.

That's why I threw an "almost" in my sentence. I know osteo can work, I've seen osteos in the past, but in general the field isn't founded on solid principles. The article you linked suggests that practitioners need to put patient well-being first, follow an evidence based approach, and be ready to discard outdated methods... I can't argue with that.

bigchris
4-Dec-2014
4:33:30 PM
Hey John,

They're not on your side of town, but in the past I have seen

Steven Sexton
Melbourne Osteopathic Sports Injury Practise
http://www.mosip.com.au/about/practioners.asp#stephen

and

Deigo Ortuso
http://www.elwoodosteopathy.com.au/diego

Both guys were good and sorted out problems that I had.

For everyone else on the circle jerk that is Chockstone, maybe some help for John would be appreciated by him.
JohnK
4-Dec-2014
4:47:21 PM
On 4/12/2014 bigchris wrote:
>Hey John,
>
>They're not on your side of town, but in the past I have seen
>
>Steven Sexton
>Melbourne Osteopathic Sports Injury Practise
>http://www.mosip.com.au/about/practioners.asp#stephen
>
>and
>
>Deigo Ortuso
>http://www.elwoodosteopathy.com.au/diego
>
>Both guys were good and sorted out problems that I had.
>
>For everyone else on the circle jerk that is Chockstone, maybe some help
>for John would be appreciated by him.


Cheers Chris - exactly the type of info I was looking for.

Getting people to stay on topic in a thread on Chockstone is a bit like to trying to herd cats!

p.s. and if you are still keen to swade off topic - then start suggesting some exercises for me on building strength in tendons located in the shoulder blade and the rotator cuff areas.


phil_nev
4-Dec-2014
5:04:35 PM
>Getting people to stay on topic in a thread on Chockstone is a bit like
>to trying to herd cats!

C'mon JohnK,, I helped out with a contact in the north straight up :)
JohnK
4-Dec-2014
5:18:11 PM
On 4/12/2014 phil_nev wrote:
>>Getting people to stay on topic in a thread on Chockstone is a bit like
>>to trying to herd cats!
>
>C'mon JohnK,, I helped out with a contact in the north straight up :)

Thanks Phil - you did indeed!!

jezza
4-Dec-2014
7:05:25 PM
I can highly recommend Dr Bill from Osteopathic Sense Brunswick Street. I have seen half a dozen osteos, and he's the best by miles. No bullshit, he'll help you out. Also if you tell him I sent you, he'll be less brutal (maybe :).

jezza
4-Dec-2014
7:18:37 PM
>p.s. and if you are still keen to swade off topic - then start suggesting
>some exercises for me on building strength in tendons located in the shoulder
>blade and the rotator cuff areas.
>
Very common to injure shoulder & rotator cuff muscles climbing, because we tend to develop our large back muscles (lats) faster than our smaller shoulder muscles, and then go do harder climbs with shouldery moves.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY2tNBOmvGs however, go talk to Dr Bill (or another professional) first.
JohnK
4-Dec-2014
7:30:04 PM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY2tNBOmvGs

Excellent.

ajfclark
4-Dec-2014
9:26:42 PM
On 4/12/2014 bigchris wrote:
>Hey John,
>
>They're not on your side of town, but in the past I have seen
>
>Steven Sexton
>Melbourne Osteopathic Sports Injury Practise
>http://www.mosip.com.au/about/practioners.asp#stephen

I think he used to consult from the martial arts gym next to Jewel station once a week? Patrick Mudge worked for MOSIP too but sadly he's moved up north somewhere.

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