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citationx

9-Sep-2009
8:52:48 PM

On 9/09/2009 Mike Bee wrote:
>
>Noone charges high prices just for the sake of it, prices are determined
>on cost price + a fari markup that is determined to be adequate to cover
>the cost of the product, shipping, sales, presentation, overheads, advertising,
>and profit. I can assure you that margins in climbing gear aren't very
>high compared to many other classes of product.

I don't know about all importers and retailers, but i can tell you that in my past life I KNOW that the importer of certain brands marked up their import prices by 100% to come up with the wholesale price. The retailer then added a 100% markup on the wholesale price - meaning that customers would pay 400% of the cost of the buying the product from overseas in the first place. "Fair markup"? hahaha.

citationx

9-Sep-2009
10:04:46 PM

On 9/09/2009 egosan wrote:
>On 9/09/2009 ambyeok wrote:
>
>>Mountain tools shipped BD to oz with nay of a whimper nor protest
>
>My mom will be very disappointed to hear this.
>
>Personally, I have been stopped by backcountry.com and rei.com from shipping
>BD gear
>directly to Oz.
>

i've had two of these three companies ship me BD, Beal and DMM. The only two brands i've ever been barred from buying from the US from every store i tried was Patagonia and La Sportiva. Noone will ship them OS...


climbau

9-Sep-2009
10:06:02 PM

Not making excuses, just providing info.
Distributors in Australia can have freight costs doubled when a manufacturer only ships half of the
stock ordered but still packs it into original qty containers. Distributors will often have to pay for stock
before it ships from overseas (in many cases at the time the order is placed a substantial deposit is
payed with the remainder payable when it is ready to be loaded on the ship/plane). Retailers will also
on occasion be asked to pay upfront deposits.
Distributors will also have to foot the bill for warranty replacements/repairs and "goodwill"
repairs/replacements until such time as the manufacturer decides that it will replace goods (distributor
pays freight) or credit the account.

Seth

10-Sep-2009
10:53:31 AM

RPs cheaper in the states is gold!

I bought bottles of Barossa shiraz in Bishop, California for less than what I could pick them up for in Adelaide and the Barossa!

I also bought a litre bottle of Corona for about AU$5 in the states, think about that the next time you spend $8 or $9 on a normal bottle here....

Living in Australia isn't cheap.


ajfclark

10-Sep-2009
11:19:57 AM

On 10/09/2009 Seth wrote:
>I also bought a litre bottle of Corona for about AU$5 in the states, think about that the next time you spend $8 or $9 on a normal bottle here....

Isn't Corona made in Mexico and exported to other countries? I'd imagine getting beer from Mexico to the US is easy compared to getting it to AU.

gfdonc

10-Sep-2009
11:25:38 AM

I find it amusing that the standard tourist advice for travellers to Mexico is "don't drink the water" .. yet we're happy to import bottles of it as long as it says "Corona" on the outside.

Winston Smith

10-Sep-2009
11:31:06 AM

On 10/09/2009 gfdonc wrote:
>I find it amusing that the standard tourist advice for travellers to Mexico
>is "don't drink the water" .. yet we're happy to import bottles of it as
>long as it says "Corona" on the outside.
>

It was the beer's fault I got drunk...

psd

10-Sep-2009
11:32:50 AM

On 10/09/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>Isn't Corona made in Mexico and exported to other countries? I'd imagine
>getting beer from Mexico to the US is easy compared to getting it to AU.

I think it's now made here under licence? (it's tasteless rubbish anyway ..)


ajfclark

10-Sep-2009
11:33:55 AM

On 10/09/2009 psd wrote:
>I think it's now made here under licence? (it's tasteless rubbish anyway..)

Fosters' website still lists it as imported. They wouldn't lie to use would they?

Seth

10-Sep-2009
11:53:18 AM

tasteless rubbish until you add a dollop of hot chilli sauce or tabasco and a wedge of lime and then its on!

psd

10-Sep-2009
11:58:25 AM

so its tasteless until you add taste? ;-)

psd

10-Sep-2009
12:03:56 PM

On 10/09/2009 ajfclark wrote:
>Fosters' website
>still lists it as imported. They wouldn't lie to use would they?

Anything is possible!


evanbb

10-Sep-2009
12:05:36 PM

On 10/09/2009 Seth wrote:
>tasteless rubbish until you add a dollop of hot chilli sauce or tabasco
>and a wedge of lime and then its on!

You're doing beer wrong if:
a) you have to add things to it
b) it comes in a clear bottle.

Double fail for Corona.

widewetandslippery

10-Sep-2009
12:08:31 PM

Agreed they are the most important criterea but:
(c) It only comes in 330ml bottles.


ajfclark

10-Sep-2009
12:18:47 PM

What about "(d) Fosters has something to do with it"?

lrcsjr1203

3-Dec-2011
1:11:14 PM

[Edit by Chockstone Moderator. Spam deleted, and poster's user-id disabled. P.S. You don't appreciate irony kuu?]


kuu

3-Dec-2011
1:16:02 PM

Go away. This type of rubbish is not welcome and you obviously don't understand the meaning of this thread's title.

dmnz

3-Dec-2011
9:35:29 PM

On 4/09/2009 anthonyk wrote:
>well these are the manufacturers recommendations on fitting ( http://www.sportiva.com/prod
>cts/sizing.php )
>
>"Remember to factor in stretch. Unlined slip-lasted shoes tend to stretch
>a bit more than lined shoes -- about one full size. Lined shoes stretch
>about a half size." - note Katanas are lined shoes, not unlined.
>
>"While it isn’t a black or white issue, a general rule dictates that soft
>shoes require a tighter fit, two to three sizes smaller than your street
>shoe size." - these are more than 3 sizes under street size
>
>"Remember: a well-fit comfortable shoe will work better than an ill-fitting
>tighter shoe."
>
>its pretty elitist to say that because you like super tight shoes then
>thats how you should recommend them. and its pretty arrogant to say that
>because your shoes stretched right, then anyone else who's shoes didn't
>stretch enough doesn't know what they're talking about. ..have you ever
>considered that the fit you got might actually be larger?
>

Katanas stretch like no other rock shoe I've owned. Street shoe 46/7 and Katanas 42. Most normal rock shoes I'm like a 45 or so.USed them for sport and bouldering. For trad no way, I'd go bigger. Perhaps you should've told him what you wanted to use them for as well as what you wanted. Lot of boulderers I know will pull on their shoes, climb the problem then promptly pull them back off. For them, tighter is better, least that's what they legitimately think so it's fair if they offer that advice to you. Some of them have never lead gear routes and are not interested in it. Although I sympathise with you, I think it just comes down to a communication problem here

You've had your say here (tell all your friends etc) and in the shop so now it's time to vote with your feet (or wallet as it were) and move on. Some seem to agree with you and others don't. Pretty normal here and most have been pretty polite for here too.


IdratherbeclimbingM9

3-Dec-2011
10:15:22 PM

On 3/12/2011 dmnz wrote:
> Some seem to agree with you and others don't. Pretty normal here and most have been pretty polite for here too.

Yes. It is amazing the change in flavour that has occurred for as little as two years!

Hagges

4-Dec-2011
1:22:52 PM

I have worked in several outdoor retailers and I have sold hundreds of rock shoes to climbers. The best tactic I have found is to let the customer decide and never try to persuade them even when you're right. I have just let people walk away with shoes that are far too big for them. In my experience I have found that when you convince somebody the shoe is tightly right for them they always come back and ask to return them. So the best thing to do is say the tighter the better but let them decide and never convince them.

Then I'll see them down the local crag or wall with the shoes I sold them floppy around all over the place and they will say to me that they should have got the size smaller.

Most places offer a full refund if the product is in as good as new condition. So in hindsight if you weren't convinced by them you should have just worn them around the house and seen what they were like after 2 weeks. This is something I have always suggested. When somebody brings shoes back and they are in brand new condition a refund is always offered.

This should've have been suggested to you too. Also the sales assistant sounds inexperienced and hopefully he has learned his lesson. Have you wrote a letter to the owners? That should help you out a bit.

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