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Off-topic: Climbers who believe in Jesus 13-Feb-2011 At 12:52:04 AM harold

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On 10/02/2011 Olbert wrote:

>I did a bit of a search and found no first hand accounts of the existence
>of Jesus or the deeds he committed. The 'evidence' that I did read, for
>example Tacitus, were accounts of Christians and their beliefs, not evidence
>for Jesus' existence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
Is this not a reasonable contemporary account of JC's existence in history. Not biased because he wasnt a believer, more a historian for the Romans.
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>The NT of the Bible is a bit hard to use as a source as its not actually
>first hand. None of the four gospels were written till at least 30 years
>after the events and the authors cannot be established. It is generally
>agreed that Mark was the first gospel and that Matthews and Lukes gospel
>were based upon that and another source (refered to as Q). Johns gospel
>was based on neither and hence has little in common with the other three.
> This is to say nothing of the bias of the authors.
>

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/gospel-of-matthew.htm
First hand accounts? As for the new testament:- Matthew and John were two of the twelve apostles of JC and wrote two of the gospels. Mark was apparently an associate of Peter (another apostle of JC). That leaves Luke who was an associate of Paul ( who come on the scene just afte JC's death) so may not have witnessed everything but was around at the general time. Then there is a book by James, Jesus' brother. And finally Peter (also one of the twelve apostles) who wrote two books. Of course as with anything 2000 years old, certainly biased, possibly made up, thats up to you.

>Im not saying that the Bible is completely bullshit, there are clearly
>events portrayed within that coincide with historical events, just that
>the evidence for the figure of Jesus as portrayed within the Bible is virtually
>non-existent.
>