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Off-topic: Climbers who believe in Jesus 13-Feb-2011 At 12:04:11 AM harold

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On 8/02/2011 Olbert wrote:
>Or a less inflammatory response:
>
>The page you linked too basically explains the conflict by saying that
>both genealogies are true, one is through Joseph and the other is through
>Mary.
>
>Off the top of my head there are a number of problems with this explanation:
>It is claimed that Luke is tracing through Mary but in Luke 3:23 it says:
>"23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as
>was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"
>It mentions nothing about Mary, it says Josepth, son of Heli. Apparently
>the reason it was supposed that Lukes genealogy is of Mary's is because
>Luke mentions Mary 11 times in the previous chapters.
>

No I am not kidding you. Maybe a more detailed explanation here. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_father_of_Mary_the_mother_of_Jesus Joseph was very obviously the son in law of Heli. Back in the day they only wrote the fathers name, not the mothers, that’s why the list contains only male names. Mary and Joseph were both descendants of David. As my previous link says ‘do any critics actually think that those who collected the books of the New Testament, and who believed it was inerrant, were unaware of this blatant differentiation in genealogies? '.
Really? there is not a single name the same between the two lists, how could anyone possibly think they were intended to describe the same family line. Besides, look at the sons of David in the two lists, one is Nathan and one is Soloman, then look up the old testament and what do you know, they are both listed as his sons, very obviously two separate genealogies.
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>In the rest of the Bible there is no mention of the 'two genealogies'
>of Jesus from David. Nowhere, other than these two discrepancies, does
>it every say anything like "From David there will be two links to Jesus
>for from David both Jesus Mother and adopted Father will come."

Actually it kind of does, and if the gospels were fiction this is totally what you would expect to be 'invented' to satisfy Jewish expectations via the old testament prophets.
Jeremiah 23:5 says he will be a descendant of David, so he must be related biologically through Mary, but since his mother had to be a virgin (Isaiah 7:14) he also needed to be related through his adopted father to be a legal heir to king David’s throne.

I totally get and respect atheists like citationx who says he just doesn’t believe that Jesus was God or that there is a God. Fair enough, I can’t prove it. But this skeptics annotated bible trying to prove contradictions, I had a quick look through the list, is soo far wrong its ridiculous. As is trying to say Jesus didn’t exist.