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CliffCare Survey-Please help out 3-Jan-2019 At 7:13:29 PM One Day Hero
I filled the survey out, but feel obliged to offer a critique.

Many of the questions seem to be phrased as false choices (or at least limited choice from a potentially broad range of valid opinions).

For example, a couple of the questions regarding aboriginal sites and climbing are phrased more or less as "are you a racist fuchstick who wants to shit all over significant sites, or are you a good person who is cool with us permanently banning climbing at any crag which shows the slightest sign of being visited by the traditional owners?"

I don't think that anywhere on the agree-disagree spectrum properly captures my sentiment that the very way the question is being phrased is simplistic and seems designed to force the desired answer.

Also, the land managers, VCC, and the climbing scene in general need to address the issue of oranges and apples. Muline and Eureka have nothing to do with Joe Goding's piece of shit crags, or Weir's Creek, or Sentinel fuching Rock. I understand that many of the climbers who will engage in negotiations are god-awful career bumblies, but you have to understand that the vast majority of worthwhile climbing in the Victoria Range is hard and most of the easy stuff is garbage. That's not me being "gradist", it's just geology working against low grade climbers so tough shit. The roles are reversed at Arapiles, where most of the good climbing leans towards the easier end of the spectrum.

The point of the previous paragraph is that if anyone goes into negotiations with the idea of giving up Muline so that we get to keep access to Mt. Knobrider or Arsecrack Crag or some other useless bumbly shit and that this result is "equitable" or "the best overall result for the whole of the climbing community", then they are a traitor.

Differentiate between world class crags, good local crags, and pieces of disposable shit, and negotiate accordingly. If the people talking to land managers can't tell the difference, they are the wrong people to be talking to land managers.

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