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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 12-May-2018 At 9:45:10 PM One Day Hero

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On 12-May-2018 Wendy wrote:
>Thanks Keiran for attempting to initiate reasonable discussion and for
>pointing out that tit for tat bolting/chopping is a childish non solution.

Nobody does tit for tat bolting, they just bolt. What you're saying is that nobody should chop bolts.......which means the bolters will just do as they please. Surprisingly, chopping bolts seems to be very effective, with no rebolts of recently chopped routes (that I know about). I'm also going to be extremely mature and not make the joke about australian climbing needing less tats and....

>Do we need a moratorium? Or do we need to stop waffling on chockstone
>and start engaging the broader community and get some guidelines out there?

I have a much simpler and more workable solution than Kieran's (and it doesn't require an altimeter). Just dial before you drill. Call the traddiest person you know and tell them exactly what you have planned, then (this is the tricky bit) listen to what they say. The beauty of this idea is that if you're nervous about calling Malcolm or Lou or whoever and describing the vegetated piece of choss you want to grid, then you probably already know that you shouldn't be doing it.