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mockmockmock
14/07/2005
10:52:47 AM
PUSSIES !!!! LOL

Ralph

JJ
14/07/2005
11:15:06 AM
I find it hard to believe that a sponsored sportsperson would be able to give a retrospective review on any product.

If their sponsors make that product, how can they review all other products impartially?

eg The climber is sponsored by company X and uses their ropes. They are a good rope, but company Y makes an even better rope.
Does the climber say 'my company X rope is great!' (But in their head they are thinking about a friends Company Y rope they used which is a lot better.)

Their review would be polarised, not giving out all the information, only talking about the good points, not the bad or negitive. A true review should have pro's and con's to it.

I'm with you Neil.

JJ
climbingjac
14/07/2005
11:22:34 AM
On 14/07/2005 nmonteith wrote:
>Sponsors including Rock Hardware... James Kassay's "Infinite
>Holds" http://
>www.infiniteholds.com ... and also Queensland based internet retailer
>"Pinnacle Sports" http://
>www.pinnaclesports.com.au came to the party with some fantastic prizes,
>which ensured there were
>some great rewards in each division.
>
>How come Rock Hardware gets no link?

Wow clutching at straws here Neilio. I can't even remember writing this (it was over a year ago) but nevertheless, I did not exclude mentioning Rock Hardware for heaven's sake. It is mentioned there in black ink. I probably neglected to put the website link there because I was typing fast to get a quick thankyou note out to everyone to help at the comp when I was supposed to be hard at work at my day job. !!! Thus missing the link!! No really, I am actually an evil evil person that is on a complete mission to sabotage any company other than PS. Yes, that's it.
climbingjac
14/07/2005
11:25:39 AM
On 14/07/2005 JJ wrote:
>If their sponsors make that product, how can they review all other products
>impartially?
>eg The climber is sponsored by company X and uses their ropes. They are
>a good rope, but company Y makes an even better rope.
>Does the climber say 'my company X rope is great!' (But in their head
>they are thinking about a friends Company Y rope they used which is a lot
>better.)

A good and valid question JJ. Personally, I only speak up about products on internet forums if they are amongst my absolute and utter favourites. Of course I like lots of products but I've got to have a very high respect for the product if I am going to recommend it and go up against the firing squad as I am here. I trial so many products it is just not funny. Don't forget that in the case of sponsored climbers, some products may not even make it into the post. We may have a reason for not liking a product that we can identify already from its pic or its written spec. So in essence the percentage of products I am exposed to that I actually discuss on Chockstone is extremely small.
dalai
14/07/2005
11:32:47 AM
On 14/07/2005 JJ wrote:
>If their sponsors make that product, how can they review all other products
>impartially?

That depends on the integrity of the climber...

I was (in the far distance past) sponsored by a gear importer. They did start importing shoes, which I didn't feel was comparable to the product I was using. So I explained my concerns with them and was allowed to continue using my preferred shoes (which I continued buying myself).

JJ
14/07/2005
11:50:09 AM
For Jac & dalai, Respect.

I'm not singling anyone out at all, what I'm about is impartiality, that's what makes a good review.
I respect any sponsored climbers' opinions on products that they use, because they use it all day, everyday. They know the good points and the bad, and as Jac said, she is reluctant to give out reviews, because of the potential wrath.

But what I wonder, if people start getting on any forum with a barrow to push, there are a lot of impressionable peoples out there. They believe they are getting unbiased information, but in reality, they aren't.

I'm not pointing the stick at anyone! Just a few thought provoking words.

JJ
climbingjac
14/07/2005
11:56:44 AM
Hi JJ,

Just to put your mind at ease I quite liked your question - it didn't make me feel as though you were pointing the stick or anything of that nature. Your questions are good and valid and as you say, if a sponsored climber abuses his/her position then his/her opinions are inflicted on impressionable people. We try not to do that (abuse our positions).

We spend lots of time trialling products, and nitpicking the pros and cons. The teacher in me hopes that such research does not go to waste. Ie it would be great if others could benefit from our findings.

jac
mockmockmock
14/07/2005
11:58:29 AM
LOL bit like 2nd hand ropes JJ?? that was a funny post, you almost had it sold too.

Ralph

master of drung
14/07/2005
1:30:45 PM
Firstly thankyou all from the bottom of my heart, genuine controversy has been frustratingly thin on the ground for quite some time.
Secondly can i suggest an additional choice being "whatever the hell Mike wants, it is his freaking site." Any grey area's can be dealt with as all else is, by public approval/condemnation and the mods discretionary stick.

alrob
14/07/2005
6:06:48 PM
what does it matter if the person giving their personal preference for a bit of gear is sponsored or not. of course a sponsored climbing is gonna tell ya that their 'company x 'shoes are great, they wear them every time they climb. if they weren't great shoes, they would probably tell the sponsor to stick it. how is it different to the next non-sponsored climber saying they like the same pair of shoes, because they wear them everytime they climb?

i think if you can't see the difference between honest opinons of a product, even from a sponsored climber, and un-sollicited spam, then shit, i don't know how you didn't confuse a shovel with your toothbrush this morning.
KP
14/07/2005
7:29:58 PM
today,, is gonna be the day, that they're gonna throw it back to you....

backbeat, the word is on the street, that the fire in your heart is out...

kieranl
14/07/2005
7:36:44 PM
Can we go back to the days when sponsored climbers only used the sponsored gear for the photo-shoot and used the stuff they really liked for the climbing?

Tel
15/07/2005
12:04:41 AM
On 14/07/2005 kieranl wrote:
>Can we go back to the days when sponsored climbers only used the sponsored
>gear for the photo-shoot and used the stuff they really liked for the climbing?

;-)
dalai
15/07/2005
8:59:12 AM
On 14/07/2005 alrob wrote:
>what does it matter if the person giving their personal preference for
>a bit of gear is sponsored or not?

Lots...

>of course a sponsored climbing is gonna
>tell ya that their 'company x 'shoes are great, they wear them every time
>they climb.

Exactly, but without knowing the reasons they wear them (requirement of the sponsorship agreement, free) the above statement is misleading.

>if they weren't great shoes, they would probably tell the sponsor
>to stick it.

Not necessarily. I knew of cases where that didn't happen.

>how is it different to the next non-sponsored climber saying
>they like the same pair of shoes, because they wear them everytime they
>climb?

They had a choice of all the models/brands available and paid for them out of their own hard earned cash!

oweng
15/07/2005
9:50:23 AM
Personally I cant see the problem with those people lucky enough to have sponsorship admitting such in any post where they talk about gear they have as a part of the sponsorship.

Having a tag attached to each of their posts would look a bit dicky, and I dont think its required.

Those sponsored climbers may mention gear they are sponsored by on 1 or 2% of their posts. A statement included in those rare posts such as "of course chockstone requires me to mention im sponsored, so even though I really love these shoes (etc) and would recommend them anyway, you may want to take my advice with a grain of salt" just seems pretty easy to me.

If you phrase it right it shouldnt come out as snobby / elitist. Neither Jac's or Manacubus' posts have ever come across that way to me.

In the end, my opinion is that what is best for the site needs to be done. I understand from Mike that he doesnt have the time to personally moderate the site (I think this requires every post to be read for legal reasons etc).

There is a heavy reliance then on people like Neil and Dali who volunteer their time to do this (often thankless) task. They know what is required as part of the task, and I think within reason they should be allowed to make decisions on this type of thing themselves. Good on Neil for seeking everyones opinion, but in the end its not a big deal either way (to me as im not a sponsored climber...).

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