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Dave MacLeod lowering accident

beuregaurd

14/11/2012
8:15:11 PM

Confusing accident. His rope, his bolts. In many cases a lot of the blame lies with whoever put in the lower-offs. Putting lower-offs 27m up will catch someone eventually. Or bolting a climb for a 60m rope in an area with nothing over 25m. Was lowered off the end once. Had a stoic belayer who deliberately stepped underneath me and broke the fall.


Miguel75

14/11/2012
8:59:16 PM

On 14/11/2012 beuregaurd wrote:
>Confusing accident.

Not really, his belayer, and he, failed to knot the end of the rope and his belayer failed to notice the end was nigh;)

> His rope, his bolts. In many cases a lot of the blame lies with whoever put in the lower-offs.

Really? If I'm power-walking along a sidewalk (with my power-walking buddy) and fail to notice an upcoming crosswalk, walk into traffic and sustain an injury, is it the sidewalk builder's fault? Or my (ex) power-walking buddy's?

And he did mention in his blog the rope wasn't his...

>Putting lower-offs 27m up will catch someone eventually. Or bolting a climb for a 60m rope in an area
>with nothing over 25m.

Please forgive my ignorance (it's been a big few days and I'm feeling slower than usual), but how can you bolt a climb for a 60mtr rope in an area no taller than 25mtr? Obviously including traverses would do it but otherwise...?

>Was lowered off the end once. Had a stoic belayer
>who deliberately stepped underneath me and broke the fall.

Glad you survived, hopefully with no major injuries to you or your buddy...

dalai

14/11/2012
9:26:20 PM

On 14/11/2012 Miguel75 wrote:
>On 14/11/2012 beuregaurd wrote:
>>Putting lower-offs 27m up will catch someone eventually. Or bolting a
>climb for a 60m rope in an area
>>with nothing over 25m.
>
>Please forgive my ignorance (it's been a big few days and I'm feeling
>slower than usual), but how can you bolt a climb for a 60mtr rope in an
>area no taller than 25mtr? Obviously including traverses would do it but
>otherwise...?

Sport cliff has all loweroffs bolted at 25m or less (cliff can be far taller). New route has anchors bolted 2 metres higher...


Miguel75

14/11/2012
9:53:03 PM

On 14/11/2012 dalai wrote:
>Sport cliff has all loweroffs bolted at 25m or less (cliff can be far
>taller). New route has anchors bolted 2 metres higher...

Copy that red leader:) Thanks for the clarification...


E. Wells

15/11/2012
6:16:48 PM

Maybe it starts 2mtrs lower, in a little coalmine shaft entrance like, y' know, just sayin maybe its the non renewables crowd that caused all this kerfuffle.

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